Intel Core i7-10700K Review

Hi all. I currently have the following rig and its compeletely enough for 2560x1080p at 75 FPS gaming in most of the modern games: Ryzen 5 3600 (Stock Cooler) / ASUS Prime B450M-K / Galax RTX2060 Super 8GB (1-Click OC) / Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) 3000Mhz / Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250GB / WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM / Corsair CV650 80+ Bronze 650W PSU . But I want something more for my Ubuntu and Deep Learning workloads such as building deep learning libraries from their source etc. And Ryzen 5 3600 stucks at 3.95-3.99 GHz so build procedures are not as fast as I expected. Since Intel came up with it's 10th generation CPUs that can be overclocked to ~5GHz, I think that it will be a good leap towards what I "really" want from my PC. For my new Intel setup, I decided to choose MSI MAG Z490M Gaming Edge WiFi as MoBo (For a future NVLink config). But for the CPU, I can't decide which one should I choose to use with 650W 80+ Bronze PSU. Can I overclock i5 10600K to 5.0GHz-5.1GHz with this PSU which has only 1x 8-pin CPU connector? Or should I go with i7 10700K since it wouldn't require any voltage adjustments to overclock it to 5.0GHz-5.1GHz? Thanks in advance!

I checked and it looks like a 4.1GHz 10600K system with a pair of 8GB DDR4 DIMMs, SSD, and 7200 RPM SATA spinner draws around 460W, give or take. If you run into issues, I don't think the PSU will be the problem.

Short version: your probably going to need something better than 650W bronze.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ_AETO7Fn4 , tldw power figures can be a bit all over the place, doubling the CPU TDP to get a safe power margin is probably not a bad idea. 200-ish for CPU OC, 200-ish per GPU, only leaves about 50-ish for everything else. Its sort of on the dual GPU part, there might be enough for everything else but its tight.

Thanks for the resource. You are right, with a second GPU it would be too tight. But if I would go on that road and buy a second GPU, I would definetely upgrade the PSU.

What's with the random bold sections of this post and no other formatting? You've made it really difficult to read.

It doesn't matter what your workloads are, go on to PC Part Picker, insert your components and that will give you maximum estimated wattage. Add on 20-30% and find a PSU of that wattage or above.

I think you are waaaay overthinking the need for a specific kind of PSU.

You are fine with your current setup and PSU.

Sorry, this is my first post ever on reddit. And yes, ı also think that 650W should be enough and serve the purpose but that second 4-pin CPU socket always makes me nervous :D Thanks for your toughts.

Take a step back and look at the big picture here. Do your AI workloads want more per-thread performance or are they easily parallelized?

If they're "embarrassingly parallel", you are likely better off sticking with AMD and getting a 3900X or 3950X as the increased core count is going to more than offset the high frequency that Intel can give you . (You may need a UEFI firmware update before installing the new CPU however)

I got your point. But except the building procedures, both training AI and doing the inference highly depends on single core performance.

So my 10700K 2080 super build comes on Sunday and I plan on Overclocking the CPU, but It only comes with a 550W PSU. I do plan on upgrading in the next month to a 850W, but for now, what would be a safe Overclock and Voltage for the 10700K?

There is no one set safe overclock for any chip each chip is unique and one may only be able to overclock .05ghz and some may be able to do 1ghz (not definitive data) just go up very slowly tiny ammounts of overclock and volts at a time do .05 to .1ghz then boot and play a game for a min if its stable keep going soon you will run out of power then you go from 1v to 1.05v then boot if its stable keep upping the clock speed if not add more power to 1.7v and try again eventualy you will be adding more and more power and it keeps crashing this is where it is undtable and you need to go back on the clock speed and Voltage until it boots ok also watch your temps they may get toasty

Your overclocking adventures won't be stopped by your PSU. It'll be something else first.

Which CPU cooler did you go with? Thermals are generally the limit with overclocking and that CPU is already pushing very high power and heat at factory speeds.

Dont know, the company are using their own cooler. It's a 360mm Liquid Cooler, that's all I know lol

Couple things if you go all core or fixed 5.1 or 5.2 is easily achieved. Voltage will range depending on MOBO and LLC.

For a more linear LLC 5.2 “should” be stable 1.34-1.36v range

If you want to use a more droopy LLC curve youll have to adjust Vcore up. For example on my msi unify setting LLC 6 and v core to 1.4 I’ll end up with 1.395v at idle and it’ll drop to 1.34-35 under full load. My AVX offset is at (0).

you’ll need to look at cache 44-46 is easily achieved at these settings and adjusting sa and I/o voltage. Depending on my memory OC these change but 1.2-1.3v is a good target.

Some people like to go high 48-50 on cache but for me it makes things a little unstable so 46 is my comfort zone.

If you go turbo ratio route you’ll beable to get some cores to work at 53 and all core 52 easily in the 1.35-1.36 range.

I have everything ordered for my build and am really eager to get started but am having trouble deciding on a processor. I will be mainly only using this computer for gaming.

Motherboard: MSI Z490 Unify

RAM: Gzkill TridentZ 16GB 3600mhz CL 16

Storage: Crucial 1TB M.2 SSD

AIO: Corsair iCue H150 RGB Pro Xt

Case Fans: Corsair AF120 - 6x

Power Supply: Corsair rmx 850w

Case: Lian Li-PC-011 Dynamic

I'm going to be using a cheap GPU to get by until later in the year when the new graphics cards come out and plan on getting one of them.

Well you kind of need the i5 if your chipset is z490

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UMMPjqLe8g

I just got this cpu in and have been trying to get a stable overclock at 5.0 GHz with a 47 ring, but it just doesn’t seem to happen. I’ve been as high as 1.365 volts and my computer still freezes instantly on the Small Prime95 test. I’m stable right now at 4.8 GHz with 45 ring at 1.300 volts. Did I just get a bad lottery pick here?

It's highly likely to be the ring clock causing that freeze in p95. I suggest you dial in your core and ring clocks separately.

What was the predict score on your CPU? I am running 4.9ghz with 1.35v and wasn't able to get higher without pushing more voltage which made my fans too loud, so 4.9 is where I'll stay for now. I was getting many of the same bsods as you and they did clear with more voltage eventually and I got 5.2 stable. Also I still leave ring on auto because it doesn't want to play nice.

How do I find the predict score? Also does leaving ring on auto make a huge difference in overclock performance?

Double check that Multi Core enhancement/MCE is disabled and that your VCore is set as 'FIXED' (Had my VCore reset to 'AUTO' multiple times after I saved my BIOS with a GIGABYTE board)

My VCORE is set to fixed, however I couldn’t find MCE in my MSI board, maybe it’s under a different name?

my 5.0Ghz 9900k is what I'd consider a "weak" sample sitting at 4.0ghz ring and 1.285v on a z390 dark. It required 1.375v to hit 5.2, with the ring reduced to 3.5 and still *really* doesn't like avx at or above 5.2. Temps are fine (direct die, water), but a couple of the cores seem to do a 'soft reset' where they drop to 0% load in p95 at 5.2. I'm unwilling to use an 'avx offset' because I don't like my cpu frequency moving up and down when I'm gaming. What're your VCCIO/VCCSA?

I have my cpu at 5.00 GHz at 1.340 V with my ring on auto, finally able to run the Prime95 small test with AVX disabled without instantly crashing the computer. However I am concerned with temps, they are reaching 80-90 degrees with a 360 AIO and 3 more fans in a 011 dynamic case. I feel as if they definitely should not be this high.

Well in this days for more better information, we need to talk about voltage in full load not the voltage in bios.

Just an example you can set the voltage manualy in bios to 1.380 and depending what motherboard you have using some certain level of Load line Calibration LLC, will down that voltage drastically on full load.

So obiusly it may be the reason why not stable cuz depending on what LLC you set, will drop to 1.290 for example from 1.380 so the real voltage is 1.290 and you are confusing all of us saying that you are not stable at 1.380.

Now I got a question for you, what is your motherboard model...this is very important ..and i dont see anywere you talking about it. Asking cuz Z490 AsRock are not even able to hold this CPU on stock.

I have MSI MPG Gaming Plus and 10700k at 5 GHz try this setting if you have MSI aswell.

50 for all cores 45 ring Disable all c state voltage mode override 1.300v LLC 3

The motherboard I have is the MSI z490 gaming edge wifi. I actually have pretty stable results right now, and sorry for the confusion of the voltage and what not, I wasn’t as knowledgeable on the subject. Right now after a lot of testing I am at 1.315 V in BIOS, LLC 5 at 5 GHz with a 46 ring. When doing prime95 testing and cinebench r20 my temps stayed <77 and my voltage didn’t surpass 1.340 V. I was gaming all day with these settings and had no errors, however I did a longer prime95 test that night and got a BSOD after around 30 minutes of load, I believe I just need to slightly adjust my ring.

Now I'm nervous as hell for when parts start arriving... hoping USPS actually delivers to my door and doesn't play the "well you have to come pick it up" shit.

Final list for those curious

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KNc6HB (Amazon had it for 389. sold out fairly quickly.)

Very possible with current covid-19. All my shipping, I have to put note to drop in the mailroom and ring the door. 2020, I have never seen the delivery guy, ghosted out on me. xD

I came from a 2700K and let me tell you that you won't regret this!

The major benefit will be the gaming, I have a 1070 and would get stutters often enough to annoy me but now with the 10700k that is all eliminated.

coming from a 2600k, this is going to blow my mind.... only thing I'm nervous about buildwise is applying the thermal paste... last time I built a PC thermal paste wasn't a thing.

Swap the a M.2 SSD for an M.2 NVMe SSD - a world of difference in speed.

I can’t seem to hit the 4900 r20 score that people are getting in reviews and personal posts with stock clocks. I get about 4800ish with mce set to auto, I’ve tried Turing it on with no difference in score. Other benchmarks follow the same trend. I closed every app that runs in the background .This is with with default settings with xmp turned on. Hwinfo shows 4700mhz during benchmarks

Running the same settings on my 9990k on my Asus hero xi I hit 4900 every time

If I overclock the all core to 4800mhz I hit 4900 score

Mb is Asus hero xii Z490 WiFi with latest bios Ram is 3200mhz cl14 Gskill trident rgb

Is there something I’m missing

People game their cinebench runs by running at realtime priority which increases the numbers a bit.

I got 4989 on my 10700 non-k with a 102.99 BCLK w/o running in real time.

If i don't close Icue and display fusion, my score takes a hit.

It was set to below normal, I changed to high and disabled lighting service got 4923

I’m still lower. Maybe the chips score differently even at same clock rate I can’t figure it out

Some notes: Run R20 without setting process to Realtime with HWIONFO64 running. Watch for your max values under Core Clock, voltage and temps. I have found you will get your best scores by bringing your voltage down a little at a time until you get your best score at the core clock you are running. Once you achieve proper voltage then run R20 with it set to Realtime in Task Manager.

Figured it out, its aura sync, using certain lighting effects drops my score by 1000 points and has a wierd effect on frame rate in games. Using a solid color has no effect though

Get rid of any nahimic|a-volute software from the Registry, ProgramData, ProgramFile, DriverStore or make a CLEAN OS install and do NOT ever install a kernel driver with anything related to nahimic|a-volute. Uninstalling the nahimic|a-volute from the control panel wont remove the mess from the registry, the service and the actual file or restore alone the full CPU capability. Without those entry you'll might be able to restore the missing 10%. The board integrity might also play a role and could affect the computational stability since the turbo boost is highly affected by too long|stuck function time, interrupt, looped hardware pool and high DPC/ISR. If the board is PCI-EX 4.0 capable [most are] know that is currently way more delicate then you are used with previous revision.

I’m on a clean install I think that’s part of the audio driver ?

Without overclocking, will a 212 evo cool a 10700k at stock clocks? I'll OC later with something else but for now will this cause any problems? Anyone else running this set up without issue?

I've been looking through the posts here and haven't found too many posts about the 212 and the 10700k.

Edit: Will report back to this thread after I have everything set up. Will leave everything on out of box defaults for now and make sure there are not weird boost options enabled.

Thanks!

I have a 10700k with a gigabyte vision G motherboard, Currently it is not overclocked, however it is running at 4.7ghz instead of 3.8 Straight out of the box.

The temp hit low 80s during normal gameplay High 80s/ low 90s during prime 95 test run,

The cooler i have is a enermax liqmax iii 360 AIO, Do i just have a bad chip? 9 Fans in my case, 3 pushing out air and the rest pulling in air

Any help would be useful

I hate to ask but is the aio secured properly and is there an adequate well performing paste applied?

yes, i reseated the aio just to make sure a while ago, a week or so.

What games and resolutions are pushing those temps? My 9900k is in the 60s in all the 3440x1440 games I play. Mine is on a 120mm AIO as well!!

Detroit Become Human Runs about 70-80 normally, Cod MW WARZONE 65-75 Peaks around 90 once in a while but average is that

Way too hot. You have a cooler or thermal paste problem. Did you leave the plastic on the chip? Reseat it and make sure paste is spread evenly. Better to have too much than too little.

I’m at 1.38v 5.1ghz and I don’t go over 80 with cpu and case fans at less than 50% speed. There’s no way your chip is that bad.

Vcore of 1.38V?! That seems pretty high. Is that your min stable or yet to drop? I'm stable at 5.0 GHz at 1.24 V Vcore so far. During cinebench r20, VID reaches 1.334 V and Vcore reaches 1.252 V while temps are between 80 and 90 C on each core. What sort of temps does your fluid reach during load?

Clean the CPU heatspreader and heatsink with alcohol and ensure there's NOTHING still on there. Then repaste and see if anything improves. Follow the install instructions and get it as tight as they suggest, mounting pressure is important.

If not, rotate the heatsink 90-180° (if possible). If that changes anything you may have warped IHS or heatsink which could be improved by lapping them both I'd I'd probably start by returning the AIO in hopes that was the issue. Most likely this is due to your application/mount.