AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

Enthusiast Desktop processor released in 2019 with 16 cores and 32 threads. With base clock at 3.5GHz, max speed at 4.7GHz, and a 105W power rating. Ryzen 9 3950X is based on the Matisse 7nm family and part of the Ryzen 9 series.
Price 71.5%
Speed 88%
Productivity 103%
Gaming 93%
Category Desktop
Target enthusiast
Socket Compatibility AM4
Integrated Graphics None
Cooler Included No
Overclock Potential 1 %
Year 2019 Model
Price 710 USD
Number of Cores 16 Cores
Number of Threads 32 Threads
Core Frequency 3.5 GHz
Boost Frequency 4.7 GHz
Max Stable Overclock 4.7 GHz
Power Consumption 105 W
Manufacturing Process 7 nm
L3 Cache 64 MB
Maximum Supported Memory 128 GB
Price-Value Score 71.5 %
Speed Score 88 %
Productivity Score 103 %
Gaming Score 93 %
Max 1080p Bottleneck 13.2 %
Max 1440p Bottleneck 6.6 %
Max 4K Bottleneck 3.3 %
Overall Score 58/100

The Ryzen 9 3950X is one of AMD's enthusiast Desktop processors. It was released in 2019 with 16 cores and 32 threads. With base clock at 3.5GHz, max speed at 4.7GHz, and a 105W power rating. The Ryzen 9 3950X is based on the Matisse 7nm family and is part of the Ryzen 9 series.

Ryzen 9 3950X is also the successor of AMD's last gen Ryzen 7 2700X processor that was based on the Zen+ and 12nm process and was released in 2018.

This processor packs 16-cores and 32-threads in a mainstream package for the first time, and does it at a similar price point as the Core i9-9900KS, a processor with just 8-cores and 16-threads.

The AMD Ryzen 9 3950X marks yet another blast from Team AMD, ramping up the intensity of the AMD vs Intel processor war. Still, though, there’s more than just core counts when it comes to a mainstream processor, as single-core performance needs to be on point, especially if you’re hoping to play the best PC games.

Now, we're asking ourselves whether or not the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X finally dethrones the Core i9-9900KS as the de facto ruler of the mainstream processors. Ultimately, it depends: the Ryzen 9 3950X doesn't reach the same single-core performance as Intel, but we're starting to see more games adopt multi-threaded CPUs, so that doesn't matter as much.

AMD Ryzen 9 3rd Generation, and the Zen 2 architecture itself, is notable because it leads 7nm processors to the mainstream for the first time. But, there’s a lot more going on under the hood than just a smaller manufacturing node.

Increased IPC improvements, along with the massive turbo boost of 4.7GHz mean that even in single core performance – long a weak link of AMD’s processors – comes within reaching distance of rival chips.

One thing that the switch to 7nm silicon has allowed for however, is an increase in cache size. AMD is now describing its L3 and L2 cache in a combined spec of 16 x 512 kB and 64. But, because the 7nm CPU cores are contained within their own chiplets, AMD was able to pack much more in – with a whopping 16 x 512 kB and 64. This is a really big deal, as it allows for much faster performance, especially when you’re shooting for high framerates in 1080p games, and will be especially effective in old esports titles like Counter Strike: Global Offensive.

Finally, the shrink down to 7nm allows for much better energy efficiency. Because of the Zen 2 architecture, AMD Ryzen 9 3 Generation processors like the Ryzen 9 3950X and Ryzen 9 3900X should be up to 58% more efficient than comparable Intel processors. This isn’t the most noteworthy feature here, but, hey, it should translate to lower electricity bills, and in today’s economy every little bit helps, right?

The AMD Ryzen 9 3950X is an absolute behemoth of a processor, as it absolutely should be with its 16 cores, 32 threads and high price tag. If you’re looking for the absolute best processor money can buy on a mainstream processor, then look no further. Whether you’re playing PC games or even doing hardcore video and 3D work, the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X can handle them with ease.

However, you should be aware that there are some workloads where the Core i9-9900KS will still perform a little better. Old games that are completely single threaded, like World of Warcraft, will still run better on an Intel processor – but that gap is definitely starting to narrow.

Over the last couple years, AMD has been reaching for dominance in the desktop CPU world, and with the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X, it's finally there.

AMD's Zen 2 series has landed, upping the ante with Intel in its high-stakes game for desktop PC market dominance with a well-rounded lineup of new chips that push mainstream platforms to higher core counts and more raw compute than we've ever seen. As a result, Intel's commanding presence in the enthusiast space is threatened in a way we haven't seen in over a decade.

But we've also found that, after simple push-button overclocking, the Ryzen 9 3900X offers similar performance to the Ryzen 9 3950X, even when it is also overclocked. But for $70 less. The Ryzen 9 3950X is an impressive chip and offers a better mixture of performance than Intel's Core i9-9900, no doubt, but in this case, value seekers might opt for its less expensive sibling.

As we've seen, gaming remains an advantage for Intel, so if squeezing out every last frame is all you care about, Intel's processors are a good choice. Much of that performance advantage will be less noticeable when gaming at higher resolutions, or if you pair the processors with a lesser graphics card.

But, like most humans, if you do things other than gaming, the Ryzen 9 3950X offers a better mixture of performance in single- and multi-threaded applications. The Ryzen 9 3950X offers twice the threads of the price-comparable Core i9-9900KS, and it wields them to great effect in threaded workloads. As such, rendering and encoding remain a strong suit of the Ryzen 9 chips, and AMD's improvements to AVX throughput have yielded impressive results.

Value seekers who aren't afraid to press the Precision Boost Overdrive button and have sufficient cooling should look to the Ryzen 9 3900X for roughly equivalent performance to the Ryzen 9 3950X, particularly if gaming factors heavily into the buying decision. That could save you money, reinforcing our decision to give the Ryzen 9 3900X an Editor's Choice award.

The AMD Ryzen 9 3950X, like the rest of AMD's Matisse processors, is built on a 7nm manufacturing node – the smallest in a commercially available CPU. What this means for most people is lower power consumption and much improved performance at the same time.

This decision to 7nm has brought a beefy 15% boost to IPC (instructions per clock) performance. Effectively, compared to a Ryzen 9 2-Generation processor at the same clock speed, you will get a straight 15% increase in performance. That’s not big enough to be evident in day-to-day workloads, but it does still mean something.

What this all means is that the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X is an absolute beast when it comes to multi-threaded workloads, especially at this price point. If you're counting on doing some video editing or compiling one hell of an Excel spreadsheet, you're going to see firsthand a performance boost with the Ryzen 9 3950X.

Bear in mind, however, that if you already have something like the Ryzen 7 2700X, this generation doesn't offer the biggest boost in performance. You might want to wait another year or so before dropping a few hundred bucks, or even opt to splurge on a higher-end but pricier chip.

If you're mostly playing games on your PC, you will be happy buying either processor. Both proved to be solid options and are evenly matched with a slight advantage to the Intel chip if you don't tune up the Core i9 processor. The base performance we showed for the Ryzen 9 3950X can be achieved with $90 memory, while the Core i9-9900KS will require $110 - $120 memory in order to enable the frame rates shown here. It’s not a big cost difference and right now with anything less than an RTX 2070 or Vega 64 you’ll more than likely become GPU limited.

Today we’ll be taking a closer look at the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-core desktop processor that was released in Nov 2019. AMD offers the Ryzen 9 3950X without integrated graphics. It runs $710 shipped and is ideal for those that plan on using it a system with a dedicated graphics card.

The AMD Ryzen 9 3950X seems to be a decent performing chip that is readily available for $710 at your favorite retailer. The main competition for this processor is the Core i9-9900KS 8-Core unlocked desktop processor with Intel UHD Graphics 630 graphics ($1499 shipped).

Now the biggest question is can AMD’s Ryzen 9 processor play games? The answer is simply yes as it got a respectable gaming score of 93% in our benchmarks.

Regardless of those external factors, the Ryzen 9 3950X proves it has the chops to be your main gaming system and a just as effective media creation platform – two things that are becoming intrinsically connected in this age of live-streaming, eSports and uploading gameplay videos.

The Ryzen 9 3950X clocks up to 4.7Ghz just as it promises on the box, and with AMD’s software you can take one of the cores all the way up to 4.8GHz. However, don’t expect to get much beyond that without seriously upgrading your cooling solution and manually tweaking voltages behind the operating system level.

That said, to squeeze out all the potential of this surprisingly potent enthusiast chip, you’ll want (and need) to splurge on an enthusiast-grade X370, X470, X570 motherboard.

Fresh from a successful roll-out of mainstream Ryzen 9 CPUs, AMD's attack on Intel now extends down into the enthusiast with its Ryzen 9 3950X processors, which the company is making available as of Nov 2019.

Right out of the gate, Ryzen 9 should sell for $710, going up against Intel's almost-$1499 Core i9-9900KS. In threaded workloads, the 16-core Ryzen 9 should enjoy an advantage against Intel's 8-core models. Of course, AMD doesn't give you integrated graphics like Intel does, but for enthusiasts building cheap gaming PCs, it isn't much of a draw anyway.

Like all other Matisse chips, the Ryzen 9-series CPUs drop into any Socket AM4 motherboard. But most will find a home on boards equipped with the A320 chipset, which has provisions for overclocking and offers plenty of connectivity options. Unlike Intel, AMD plans to utilize its current socket until 2020, so upgrading to future models shouldn't require a new motherboard.

Which GPU to Pick for AMD Ryzen 9 3950X

Below is a comparison of all graphics cards average FPS performance (using an average of 80+ games at ultra quality settings), combined with the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X.

Graphics Card Price Cost Per Frame Avg 1080p Avg 1440p Avg 4K
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 24GB $ 1,499 $ 5.6 267.5 FPS
212.4 FPS
131.2 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT 16GB $ 999 $ 4 250.8 FPS
200.3 FPS
121.6 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB $ 649 $ 2.7 236.1 FPS
188.6 FPS
114.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 20GB $ 799 $ 3.4 233.2 FPS
188.9 FPS
121 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10GB $ 699 $ 3 233.1 FPS
185.1 FPS
114.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti 10GB $ 599 $ 3 200 FPS
160.1 FPS
100.7 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 6800 16GB $ 579 $ 3.1 187 FPS
149.3 FPS
90.7 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8GB $ 499 $ 2.8 178.3 FPS
141.7 FPS
87.5 FPS
NVIDIA TITAN RTX 24GB $ 2,499 $ 15.3 163.8 FPS
134.3 FPS
83.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB $ 1,299 $ 8.1 159.4 FPS
130.8 FPS
81.2 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB $ 479 $ 3 157.4 FPS
126.6 FPS
75.9 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB $ 399 $ 2.7 146.1 FPS
119.1 FPS
75 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB $ 699 $ 4.8 144.7 FPS
117.5 FPS
72.6 FPS
NVIDIA TITAN V 12GB $ 2,999 $ 21.6 138.7 FPS
113.7 FPS
72.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 8GB $ 699 $ 5.1 136.8 FPS
109.9 FPS
67.4 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB $ 759 $ 5.9 128.2 FPS
104.8 FPS
64.8 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB $ 499 $ 3.9 127.4 FPS
101.2 FPS
62.4 FPS
NVIDIA TITAN Xp 12GB $ 1,199 $ 9.5 125.7 FPS
101.2 FPS
63.9 FPS
AMD Radeon VII 16GB $ 699 $ 5.6 125.7 FPS
100.5 FPS
61 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB $ 399 $ 3.3 122.4 FPS
97.8 FPS
59.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 8GB $ 499 $ 4.1 120.7 FPS
94.5 FPS
59.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB $ 329 $ 2.7 119.9 FPS
95.5 FPS
59.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GB $ 400 $ 3.5 114.3 FPS
88 FPS
54 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5700 8GB $ 349 $ 3.1 112.2 FPS
89.7 FPS
54.4 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB $ 499 $ 4.6 108.9 FPS
85.7 FPS
52.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 6GB $ 350 $ 3.3 107.5 FPS
80.9 FPS
48.8 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT 6GB $ 279 $ 2.6 105.8 FPS
83.9 FPS
50.7 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 295X2 4GB $ 1,499 $ 14.7 102 FPS
79.2 FPS
51.3 FPS
AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB $ 499 $ 4.9 101.7 FPS
81.4 FPS
49.2 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB $ 409 $ 4.1 100.9 FPS
79.4 FPS
48.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti 6GB $ 249 $ 2.5 98.7 FPS
77.1 FPS
47.6 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB $ 999 $ 10.2 98.1 FPS
76.3 FPS
46.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6GB $ 279 $ 2.9 96 FPS
75.6 FPS
45.8 FPS
AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 8GB $ 399 $ 4.2 95.4 FPS
76.1 FPS
46.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB $ 399 $ 4.3 92.9 FPS
72.4 FPS
43.6 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6GB $ 229 $ 2.5 90.5 FPS
71.3 FPS
43.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB $ 649 $ 7.6 85.4 FPS
66.8 FPS
40.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 6GB $ 220 $ 2.6 85.2 FPS
67 FPS
40.6 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 590 8GB $ 279 $ 3.5 80.8 FPS
61.7 FPS
36.6 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 FURY X 4GB $ 649 $ 8.4 77.5 FPS
63.5 FPS
39.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4GB $ 160 $ 2.2 74.2 FPS
58.2 FPS
35.2 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT 8GB 8GB $ 199 $ 2.7 73.5 FPS
56.1 FPS
33.2 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 4GB $ 549 $ 7.5 73.2 FPS
56.7 FPS
34.6 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB $ 229 $ 3.2 71.7 FPS
54.7 FPS
32.2 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 Nano 4GB $ 649 $ 9.2 70.5 FPS
56.8 FPS
35.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN BLACK 6GB $ 999 $ 14.6 68.4 FPS
52.5 FPS
33.4 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 FURY 4GB $ 549 $ 8.2 66.6 FPS
53.4 FPS
32.7 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB $ 254 $ 3.8 66.5 FPS
51.2 FPS
31.1 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT 4GB 4GB $ 169 $ 2.6 65.9 FPS
50.4 FPS
29.8 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 390X 8GB $ 429 $ 6.7 64.1 FPS
51.3 FPS
31.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB $ 170 $ 2.7 63.1 FPS
48.7 FPS
29.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB $ 329 $ 5.3 62 FPS
47.3 FPS
29.9 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB $ 400 $ 6.6 60.3 FPS
47.7 FPS
29.7 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 390 8GB $ 329 $ 5.5 59.9 FPS
46.8 FPS
27.1 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 570 4GB $ 169 $ 2.9 59.1 FPS
46.2 FPS
27.4 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB $ 149 $ 2.6 56.5 FPS
44.1 FPS
26.6 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB $ 179 $ 3.4 52.8 FPS
41.4 FPS
25 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 380X 4GB $ 229 $ 5.2 44.4 FPS
34.5 FPS
21.3 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 285 2GB $ 249 $ 6.3 39.8 FPS
31 FPS
18.1 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 380 2GB $ 199 $ 5 39.5 FPS
30.7 FPS
18.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB $ 169 $ 4.3 39 FPS
30.4 FPS
18.4 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 280 3GB $ 279 $ 7.2 38.6 FPS
30.3 FPS
17.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 2GB $ 199 $ 5.2 38.1 FPS
29.5 FPS
17.6 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 3GB $ 169 $ 5.1 33.2 FPS
25.6 FPS
15.3 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 560 4GB $ 99 $ 3.2 30.7 FPS
23.5 FPS
14 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950 2GB $ 159 $ 5.3 30.1 FPS
22.9 FPS
14.2 FPS
AMD Radeon R7 370 2GB $ 149 $ 5.1 29.5 FPS
21.6 FPS
13.4 FPS
AMD Radeon R7 265 2GB $ 149 $ 5.1 29.3 FPS
20.9 FPS
13 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 460 4GB $ 140 $ 5.2 27.1 FPS
20.8 FPS
12.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB $ 149 $ 5.7 26.1 FPS
17.8 FPS
11.2 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 550 2GB $ 79 $ 3.7 21.4 FPS
16.5 FPS
9.8 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 2GB $ 79 $ 3.9 20.4 FPS
15.7 FPS
9 FPS

Related Discussions and Issues

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tallstan12 June 26, 2020

Probably Controversial, but help me choose a Processor. Intel i9 10900k vs Ryzen 9 3950X

I am building a gaming PC and after reading a lot about the differences between Ryzen and Intel I’m pretty much stuck and honestly don’t know which to choose between the two. I know that Intel is better for gaming, but Ryzen is better at pretty much everything else. But is Intel THAT MUCH BETTER than Ryzen at gaming or is it barely even noticeable in terms of Frames per Second in High/Ultra Settings, Graphics and pretty much just overall performance. I am also concerned about the temperature of the Intel Processor as I heard that they have problems in terms of very high temperatures and what not. The build will be Liquid Cooled so should I even be worrying about that? I also plan on overclocking as well. I don’t plan on doing pretty much anything else on the PC besides Gaming, so I’d understand if anyone would say this is a stupid question, but I just thought it would be worth asking especially since Ryzen is better at everything else. Is the performance difference between the two CPUs in Gaming noticeable at all? Or is there anything else that I don’t know about or should consider when choosing between the two Processors? My GPU will be the Geforce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB and my System Memory will be 64GB

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V0rt0s June 08, 2020

They’re only noticeable at very very high fps. This will depend on what resolution you’re going to be using. There really isn’t a gaming use case for a 3950x though. I’d recommend getting a 3900x. It’ll be cheaper than intel and perform similarly.

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tallstan12 June 18, 2020

I plan on gaming on 200+ Frames on High/Ultra settings mainly for First Person Shooters like COD and should I worry about the temperatures for the Intel?

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zzTeebeutel June 18, 2020

Yeah, seems like you like wasting coney, cause a 3950x and 64GB of RAM surely won't make a Gaming PC run faster

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Purgie June 16, 2020

Why even choose a 3950x for a gaming pc? What a waste. It's for workstation use cases..

64 GB of memory is also a waste for a gaming PC. As long as you aren't using all your RAM, it doesn't give you better performance.

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tallstan12 June 22, 2020

Sorry I don’t know much about PC’s I’m pretty new to this, and I was just wondering which processor was better which is why I asked the question. What do you suggest though? In terms of ram and which processor if i plan on playing on 144 - 240hz

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squidbrand June 16, 2020

Both are poor choices for gaming. These are 20-thread and 32-thread CPU’s, respectively. In the majority of games, most of those threads are just going to be chilling at 1-2% background load, basically doing nothing.

Also it’s not a great time to buy a 2080Ti. It’s going to be supplanted by the 3000 series this summer and its resale value will probably drop by a good $500, if the jump between generations is similar to the last few.

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tallstan12 June 12, 2020

Okay I see so for now I should wait for a better GPU? And what processor do you recommend for the best gaming experience?

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schizo_ghost June 20, 2020

You don't need a 3950x solely for gaming, but if you plan on streaming or anything why not. If you don't, don't bother and just get a 3900x or even a 3700x since they have identical fps performance. The 10900k has shown to have a 10-15% better fps in regards to gaming, you'll be spending about 25% more than if you bought a 3900x and around 50% more than a 3700x and at that point it's honestly a waste of money.

You don't need 32GB of ram, and you're better off getting a 16GB kit of 3600mhz CAS latency 14 RAM and adding more later on. You also don't need a 2080Ti right now. As mentioned in another comment it will be replaced and lose a ton of value. You're better off buying a 2070Super and selling it for a 3080Ti when that releases.

When building a PC it's easy to slap the highest end of everything part just to have the most powerful thing, but in my experience it's best to go high end on certain parts (PSU, Storage, aka cheaper stuff) and a place you're comfortable at for other things. There's a 50/50 chance you're gonna upgrade your parts regardless of where you bought in at in terms of performance in the near future, and like said previously buying a high end cards that's gonna be beat buy a midrange card in 4 months is a gigantic waste of money.

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vagabond139 June 20, 2020

32GB of RAM will make a performance difference for Ryzen though given how RAM is important for its performance and 32GB of RAM being dual ranked.

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Wide_Fan June 12, 2020

If you only care about gaming, 10700k. Keep in mind the 3900x/3950x is much superior in productivity tasks. But since you seem to be aiming for high refresh rate/resolution gaming considering the gpu choice, 110% Intel. But the 10900k is not worth the money imo considering how it's single digit differences between it and the 10700k which is much cheaper.

A good AIO will serve you fine; a really beefy air cooler is also an option.

Overclocking wise, comet lake doesn't leave to much room for it since it already has a pretty wicked turbo. But it's still doable.

Whichever you choose, you can't really go too wrong. Good luck.

Also you don't need 64GB of ram for gaming lol. 16 is perfectly fine and 32gb is probably the current luxury amount.

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1Kien1 June 16, 2020

Honestly, you probably wouldn't even notice the gaming performance difference by that much, I would go for ryzen since games are going to use more cores and like you said BETTER at everything else. Both of the cpus are going to perform very well with your 2080 ti, If your main focus is gaming, go for the 10900k. If price is really a main factor as well, the 3950x is pretty expensive around $200 more than the 10900k. I recommend the 3900x

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Impossible_Addition June 08, 2020

Buying the most expensive stuff won't give you the best gaming performance. Even if it does it will give you maybe 5% better for 100% more cost. 64GB ram???? 16 core CPU???? Bruh you playing games from the year 2030 or what?

I suggest you stick with 8 cores (r7 3700x) and get a 2080Super and 16GB of ram

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LazyProspector June 18, 2020

Honestly, if you're already spending 2080 Ti money you might as well go all in on the 10900K.

For basically anything else go Ryzen

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DrDray0 June 10, 2020

Wait until fall. 3080Ti (or AMD equivalent???) will likely be +50% performance for the same price with far better raytracing. Worst time to buy right before these consoles launch and PC equivalent GPUs launch.

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tallstan12 June 24, 2020

Anything i could buy in the meantime and upgrade later?

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Act_Consistent July 17, 2020

[HELP] I9 9900k or Ryzen 9 3950x

Hello! I will be building my first ever gaming PC here very shortly. On this pc I of course want to game but also record videos and stream with high quality! What CPU would you recommend.

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kjm015 July 17, 2020

The 10900K is basically unobtainable right now.

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-UserRemoved- July 17, 2020

10th gen Intel is better value, 10700k should cost less than 9900k.

On this pc I of course want to game but also record videos and stream with high quality!

What GPU are you going to use? If it's RTX, then encoding via NVENC is likely ideal.

I mean, if you're looking at the best Intel and AMD have to offer, your experience with either will be pretty darn similar. They're obviously both high end. You can look up benchmarks comparing the 2 for the specific games and programs you use. Then decide which one is more worth your money.

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ImNotLikeYou July 17, 2020

If you're streaming, and more importantly editing your recorded videos, AMD is better in the long run

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TeamWorkOPleaseNerf July 17, 2020

3700x, encoding is done by the gpu so get something like a 2070 super

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alpharagesch July 17, 2020

i'd go for the 3950x tbh, bc if you're recording and editing videos you want that multithreaded performance that comes with ryzem, even if it's a tiny bit behind intel in singlethreaded tasks such as gaming

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ArcticSrb July 17, 2020

I would go with amd here 9900ks seem have some heating problems personally and ryzen 9 muti thread is just better then i9 9k unless you want to try the new 10th gen Intel gpu. ( I haven't tried or seen the new 10th gen Intel, but seems pretty good a bit over priced, but it's a new product so what did I expect) anyways ryzen would be the go to here.

Edit: Forgot you can wait for the new ryzen XT cpu

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kjm015 July 17, 2020

The i9-9900K is an obsolete processor that has been supplanted by the newer and cheaper i7-10700K.

The Ryzen 9 3950X is completely overkill if you only plan on gaming and streaming.

Honestly, you'd be better off going with something like a Ryzen 7 3700X or 3800X. It will give you almost identical gaming & streaming performance to the 9900K and 10700K for about $120 less. You can use that money towards a better GPU, which is what will affect your gaming performance more.

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Act_Consistent July 17, 2020

Or should I wait for the new ryzen cpu coming out

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elijuicyjones July 17, 2020

AMD by a million miles. You'd have to pay me to use Intel.

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SterlingCasanova July 17, 2020

If a 10900k dropped in your lap for free I'm pretty sure you'd use it.

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Moonfall1991 July 17, 2020

InTEl sO baD, i7 10700k CAnt eVeN REndEr a VIdeO.

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Handelo July 19, 2020

3950X Overclocking help!

Hey guys, this is really my first foray into overclocking and I need some advice. I tried to include all the information I can but let me know if there's something missing.

I'm running a Ryzen 9 3950X on an Aorus X570 Master (BIOS ver. F20a). Cooling is an NZXT Kraken X62 as front intake in an NZXT H510 case with two additional 120mm exhaust fans in the top rear. Also running the CPU with a -50mV VCore offset.

So my temps are... worse than what I'd expected.

Ambient temp is 25°c.

Idle temperatures are around 45°c. They also tend to shoot up to 53-55°c for an instant occasionally and then drop back down, possibly because of PB2 doing its thing.

All-core Cinebench R20 load with all stock settings (except the undervolt) brings the temps to about 79°c after a few minutes. All-core frequency is 3950MHz.

Enabling PBO increases the max temp to 86°c. The all-core frequency is still at 3950MHz.

Manual all-core overclocking (through Ryzen Master) to 4150MHz @ 1.2875v further increases the temp to 88°c.

I could overclock up to 4200MHz but that would break the 90°c mark which I'm not really comfortable with.

As for single-core... with both all stock and PBO settings it only ever hits 4425MHz, a far cry from the advertised 4700MHz. It also only ever uses Cores 0 and 1 on CCD0 CCX0, despite the "golden" cores being Core0 and Core16.


So I have a few questions about this:

  • Does the Ryzen Master voltage setting override the VCore offset, or is it compounded with it? Does Ryzen Master display the correct voltage when there is an undervolt in the BIOS?

  • My AIO Liquid temp (according to NZXT CAM) never breaks 42°c, which is quite a big difference from the CPU temps. Is this because the sensors are found on the cooler side of the loop (before making contact with the copper plate), or is this an issue? Or is this just how Ryzen processors are due to 7nm being harder to cool?

  • Do the temps look right? I've remounted the AIO 3 separate times, the last time I also applied Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, but I've seen no significant change in temps.

  • The Kraken X62 uses the AMD clip mounting method. Would ordering a 4-point mounting AM4 bracket for the AIO possibly help reduce temps? I didn't really see an uneven spread while remounting the AIO but maybe?

  • What is going on with my single core frequency?! Why is it so much lower than spec?

  • Is there anything else I can do to reduce temps and possibly achieve higher clocks? Short of getting a bigger AIO and case or going with a custom loop, that is?

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    ToreKjellow July 19, 2020

    I'm have to check the next time I'm at my desk, but my initial reaction is that liquid temps of 42c is a lot. What are your pump/fan settings on your AIO? I'm running my x52 at 100% pump speed and 4 fans in push/pull on my radiator in the front of a phanteks p400a case (high air flow mesh front). The fans run about 600rpm idle and 1000 rpm under load (controlled by liquid temps).

    My 3950x is running a per ccx OC set I bios. 1.206v idle, and 1.175V full load. 4325/4300/4175/4175 MHz.

    My temps are ~35c idle and up to 85c in extreme stress tests (y-cruncher etc). I don't think the cpu breaks 75c in cb20.

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    Handelo July 19, 2020

    I'm only using the included 2 fans in a push configuration. Can't do push-pull since then the GPU wouldn't fit (the H510 is a pretty snug case). Opening up both side panels of the case doesn't seem to make a difference so I don't think airflow is the problem here.

    I'm running the AIO at 100% pump speed, fans at 600 RPM in idle and 1300 RPM under load. Fan speed is tied to the liquid temp rather than CPU temp to avoid fan ramp ups because of PB2.

    So a liquid temp of 42°c is considered high? Even when the CPU is running close to 90°c? I would assume the liquid would heat up as it absorbs the heat from the CPU, I really expected a higher liquid temp and lower CPU temp. So is this just how it is with the 3950X?

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    malphadour July 19, 2020

    Change to a mesh case and you will take 10c off - the NXZT is known to be poor for CPU temps even when using an AIO - the airflow is just too restrictive. You can test this theory by running the system with the front panel of the 510 removed and see if your temps improve, which should also show higher all core boost performance if you are using PBO.

    The liquid temp sounds about right, high 30's, low 40's is where it should be at.


    Are you measuring the CPU temps with CAM or Ryzen Master? Cam can not be trusted for correct temps.

    The kraken X62 itself is a good cooler, and the clip mechanism is absolutely fine - this is nothing to do with the mounting ans going up to a 360 won't help with that case.

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    Handelo July 19, 2020

    Wait, if the liquid temp is right, then why would the CPU temp drop in a mesh case? isn't it directly linked to just that? Sure higher airflow would help lower the liquid temp, but you said it's about right, so...

    And yeah I'm measuring temps with Ryzen Master, I noticed CAM wasn't really displaying temperatures accurately.

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