AMD A10-9700 Review

Mid-range desktop processor released in 2016 with 4 cores and 4 threads. With base clock at 3.5GHz, max speed at 3.8GHz, and a 65W power rating. A10-9700 is based on the Bristol Ridge 28nm family and part of the A10 series.
Price 100%
Speed 71%
Productivity 59%
Gaming 73%
Category Desktop
Target mid-range
Socket Compatibility AM4
Integrated Graphics Radeon R7 (on-die)
Cooler Included Yes
Overclock Potential 0 %
Year 2016 Model
Price 90 USD
Number of Cores 4 Cores
Number of Threads 4 Threads
Core Frequency 3.5 GHz
Boost Frequency 3.8 GHz
Max Stable Overclock 3.8 GHz
Power Consumption 65 W
Manufacturing Process 28 nm
L3 Cache 0 MB
Maximum Supported Memory 64 GB
Price-Value Score 100 %
Speed Score 71 %
Productivity Score 59 %
Gaming Score 73 %
Max 1080p Bottleneck 60 %
Max 1440p Bottleneck 30 %
Max 4K Bottleneck 15 %
Overall Score 35/100

The A10-9700 is one of AMD's mid-range Desktop processors. It was released in 2016 with 4 cores and 4 threads. With base clock at 3.5GHz, max speed at 3.8GHz, and a 65W power rating. The A10-9700 is based on the Bristol Ridge 28nm family and is part of the A10 series.

A10-9700 is also the successor of AMD's last gen A10-7700K processor that was based on the Steamroller and 28nm process and was released in 2014.

AMD's Excavator+ series has landed, upping the ante with Intel in its high-stakes game for desktop PC market dominance with a well-rounded lineup of new chips that push mainstream platforms to higher core counts and more raw compute than we've ever seen. As a result, Intel's commanding presence in the enthusiast space is threatened in a way we haven't seen in over a decade.

As we've seen, gaming remains an advantage for Intel, so if squeezing out every last frame is all you care about, Intel's processors are a good choice. Much of that performance advantage will be less noticeable when gaming at higher resolutions, or if you pair the processors with a lesser graphics card.

Bear in mind, however, that if you already have something like the A10-7700K, this generation doesn't offer the biggest boost in performance. You might want to wait another year or so before dropping a few hundred bucks, or even opt to splurge on a higher-end but pricier chip.

One of the nice things about the AMD A10-9700 processors is that the retail boxed models come with a CPU cooler. So, you can pick something like the AMD A10-9700 up for $90 and don’t need to spend any extra money on CPU cooling.

The AMD A10-9700 retail boxed processor comes with the traditional ‘pancake’ CPU cooler. Nothing fancy, but it gets the job done on this processor which is rated at 65W TDP. You do not need to have an aftermarket cooling solution unless you want to.

The A10-9700 clocks up to 3.8Ghz just as it promises on the box, and with AMD’s software you can take one of the cores all the way up to 3.9GHz. However, don’t expect to get much beyond that without seriously upgrading your cooling solution and manually tweaking voltages behind the operating system level.

Fresh from a successful roll-out of mainstream A10 CPUs, AMD's attack on Intel now extends down into the mid-range with its A10-9700 processors, which the company is making available as of Dec 2016.

Which GPU to Pick for AMD A10-9700

Below is a comparison of all graphics cards average FPS performance (using an average of 80+ games at ultra quality settings), combined with the AMD A10-9700.

GPU Price Cost/Frame Avg 1080p Avg 1440p Avg 4K
NVIDIA TITAN RTX 24GB $2,499 $33.1 75.5 FPS
100.6 FPS
73.4 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB $1,299 $17.7 73.5 FPS
98 FPS
71.4 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB $699 $10.5 66.7 FPS
88 FPS
63.8 FPS
NVIDIA TITAN V 12GB $2,999 $46.9 63.9 FPS
85.2 FPS
63.4 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 8GB $699 $11.1 63 FPS
82.4 FPS
59.2 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB $759 $12.8 59.1 FPS
78.6 FPS
56.9 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB $499 $8.5 58.7 FPS
75.8 FPS
54.9 FPS
NVIDIA TITAN Xp 12GB $1,199 $20.7 57.9 FPS
75.8 FPS
56.2 FPS
AMD Radeon VII 16GB $699 $12.1 57.9 FPS
75.3 FPS
53.6 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB $399 $7.1 56.4 FPS
73.3 FPS
52.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 8GB $499 $9 55.6 FPS
70.9 FPS
51.9 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GB $400 $7.6 52.7 FPS
66 FPS
47.5 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5700 8GB $349 $6.8 51.7 FPS
67.2 FPS
47.8 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB $499 $9.9 50.2 FPS
64.2 FPS
45.8 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 6GB $350 $7.1 49.6 FPS
60.7 FPS
42.9 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT 6GB $279 $5.7 48.8 FPS
62.8 FPS
44.6 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 295X2 4GB $1,499 $31.9 47 FPS
59.3 FPS
45.1 FPS
AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB $499 $10.6 46.9 FPS
61 FPS
43.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB $409 $8.8 46.5 FPS
59.5 FPS
42.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN X 12GB $999 $22.1 45.2 FPS
57.2 FPS
40.7 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6GB $279 $6.3 44.2 FPS
56.6 FPS
40.2 FPS
AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 8GB $399 $9.1 44 FPS
57 FPS
40.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB $399 $9.3 42.8 FPS
54.3 FPS
38.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6GB $229 $5.5 41.7 FPS
53.4 FPS
38.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB $649 $16.5 39.3 FPS
50.1 FPS
35.6 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 6GB $220 $5.6 39.2 FPS
50.2 FPS
35.7 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 590 8GB $279 $7.5 37.2 FPS
46.3 FPS
32.2 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 FURY X 4GB $649 $18.2 35.7 FPS
47.6 FPS
34.8 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4GB $160 $4.7 34.2 FPS
43.6 FPS
31 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT 8GB 8GB $199 $5.9 33.9 FPS
42.1 FPS
29.2 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 4GB $549 $16.3 33.7 FPS
42.5 FPS
30.4 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB $229 $6.9 33 FPS
41 FPS
28.3 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 Nano 4GB $649 $20 32.5 FPS
42.5 FPS
30.9 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN BLACK 6GB $999 $31.7 31.5 FPS
39.4 FPS
29.4 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 FURY 4GB $549 $17.9 30.7 FPS
40.1 FPS
28.7 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB $254 $8.3 30.6 FPS
38.3 FPS
27.3 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT 4GB 4GB $169 $5.6 30.4 FPS
37.8 FPS
26.2 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 390X 8GB $429 $14.5 29.6 FPS
38.4 FPS
27.7 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB $170 $5.8 29.1 FPS
36.5 FPS
26 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB $329 $11.5 28.6 FPS
35.5 FPS
26.3 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB $400 $14.4 27.8 FPS
35.8 FPS
26.1 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 390 8GB $329 $11.9 27.6 FPS
35.1 FPS
23.8 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 570 4GB $169 $6.2 27.2 FPS
34.6 FPS
24.1 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB $149 $5.7 26 FPS
33.1 FPS
23.4 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 470 4GB $179 $7.4 24.3 FPS
31 FPS
22 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 380X 4GB $229 $11.2 20.4 FPS
25.8 FPS
18.7 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 285 2GB $249 $13.5 18.4 FPS
23.3 FPS
15.9 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 380 2GB $199 $10.9 18.2 FPS
23 FPS
15.9 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB $169 $9.4 18 FPS
22.8 FPS
16.2 FPS
AMD Radeon R9 280 3GB $279 $15.7 17.8 FPS
22.7 FPS
15.2 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 2GB $199 $11.3 17.6 FPS
22.1 FPS
15.5 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 3GB $169 $11 15.3 FPS
19.2 FPS
13.4 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 560 4GB $99 $7 14.1 FPS
17.6 FPS
12.3 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950 2GB $159 $11.4 13.9 FPS
17.2 FPS
12.5 FPS
AMD Radeon R7 370 2GB $149 $11 13.6 FPS
16.2 FPS
11.8 FPS
AMD Radeon R7 265 2GB $149 $11 13.5 FPS
15.6 FPS
11.4 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 460 4GB $140 $11.2 12.5 FPS
15.6 FPS
11 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB $149 $12.4 12 FPS
13.4 FPS
9.8 FPS
AMD Radeon RX 550 2GB $79 $8 9.9 FPS
12.4 FPS
8.6 FPS
NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 2GB $79 $8.4 9.4 FPS
11.7 FPS
7.9 FPS

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FabulousShelter6 July 11, 2020

Laptop Stand Help (for any XPS or my XPS 17 9700): Need vented top, flat base, portability, adjustable

Now that I own an XPS 17 (which i love), the only issue is that it seems the laptop needs more circulation than designed. I think the best solution would be a laptop stand, but here is how I was thinking through this. It should have:

  • Flat base: Meaning flat surface on bottom (see Image 1 below) so that it can sit on a bed/sofa as well as a desk. Image 2 below i would guess doesn't work well on a bed/sofa.

  • Vented for XPS fans on bottom. I found that by raising my XPS 17 a tad (allowing it to breath) stops the fans from coming on and keeping the machine cooler. So the stand's top part must allow the laptop's bottom to breath.

  • Portability: I plan to use this on a desk, on my bed and sofa, and travel with me for business trips. So Image 1 wont work. So the footprint should be small so it fits in my minimalist computer bag.

  • Weight: It should be light given that my XPS 17 plus charger is already a beast to lug around.

  • Adjustable: Ideally, it would be nice (though not a deal breaker) if the stand has adjustable height so i can raise it or lower it depending on if i am using laptop by itself, on a desk or bed.

  • Anything else I should be considering?

    Thanks for the help!!!


    Image 1: This is probably closest I found but it is not portable. nor is it adjustable


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    sthsthsthbatman July 11, 2020

    Will this work?

    https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07FQBZYJ6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_HDkcFb5YX6PB4

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    FabulousShelter6 July 11, 2020

    Thanks u/sthsthsthbatman !

    This would be perfect except for the weight and size. Your suggestion made me realize that weight should also be a criteria. XPS 17 plus charger is already a beast to lug around. Ideally, I was looking for a stand that is light and tiny footprint for my minimalist computer bag.

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    FabulousShelter6 July 12, 2020

    Thanks everyone. Particularly u/sthsthsthbatman . Went with your suggestion.

    I went with these two. Will try them both and return one:

    • https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B083VT6P7W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A211DMKAY2ZGJK&psc=1

    • https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PFSZBRZ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A274D3MDM9QRV5&psc=1

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    jonsonsama July 11, 2020

    this probably doesn't fit all the criteria, but

    https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07T8P9XCG/?coliid=I32IL4A1JKGE56&colid=3K1PVX23PFCJ7&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

    or

    https://smile.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Ventilated-Adjustable-Laptop-Stand/dp/B00WRDS8H0/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=laptop+stand&qid=1594412504&s=office-products&sr=1-7

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    FabulousShelter6 July 11, 2020

    Thanks u/jonsonsama . I really appreciate the tip. You're right. Not ideal but helpful. Thanks!

    The stickers are innovative but I don't want to ruin the good look of the XPS 17 laptop. :)

    The AmazonBasics is actually not bad. I might do this one. Though a bit concerned about the weight/portability and the two notches where laptop's base sits (they would come in the way of typing. Let me read reviews more. Thanks!

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    FabulousShelter6 July 11, 2020

    One of these may be the best fit for me. :)

    https://www.amazon.com/Stopper-Easily-Wedges-Protector-Flexible/dp/B019T28OG6/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1

    https://www.amazon.com/BearMoo-Stackable-Slip-Resistant-Design-100-Non-Toxic/dp/B071H2GWQJ/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8&th=1

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    FabulousShelter6 July 20, 2020

    Thanks again. I kept https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PFSZBRZ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A274D3MDM9QRV5&psc=1 . And I love it! Thanks again for your help.

    Stand is very sturdy. Large enough so XPS 17 doesn't wobble. Not very tall so it keeps laptop stable, yet solves heat/noise issue. Well-built. great traction so doesn't slide much.

    I also bought this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07DGC75B4?ref=ppx_pt2_dt_b_prod_image for bed/sofa use, since the weight of XPS is rather heavy for my legs. :)

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    PRO A10-9700 processor released by AMD; release date: 3 October 2016. The processor is designed for desktop-computers. CPU is unlocked for overclocking. Total number of cores - 4. Maximum CPU clock speed - 3.8 GHz. Maximum operating temperature - 90°C. Manufacturing process technology - 28 nm. Cache size: L2 - 2 MB. Supported socket types: AM4.
    A10-9700 processor released by AMD; release date: 27 July 2017. At the time of release, the processor cost $90. The processor is designed for desktop-computers and based on Bristol Ridge microarchitecture. CPU is unlocked for overclocking. Total number of cores - 4. Maximum CPU clock speed - 3.8 GHz. Maximum operating temperature - 90°C.
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    ObnoxiousWalrus July 08, 2020
    Should I be worried about my CPU temperatures?
    I'm sure there's hundreds of other similar threads, but none with my exact specs so whatever.

    First of all, here's my specs :

    GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6GB
    Intel Core i7-9700 3.00GHz
    16GB RAM
    Case is Acer Nitro N50-600

    I recently(few days ago) bought a new PC for gaming. Knowing only the basics in terms of PC components, I came here for feedback. As the title says, I'm getting a bit worried about my CPU temperature when playing high-performance games like Metro Exodus, Doom Eternal, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, etc. I've done a bit of research, but I'm still quite unsure about if my CPU has an issue or not. In numbers, I've seen my CPU reach around 85 - 90°C, which is close to the junction temp stated on this page. The average temperature remains the same during gaming regardless of the graphic settings.

    Important note : Despite such temperatures being reached, my CPU usage remains around 10-50% almost all the time, including at ~90°C temperatures.

    I'd like to mention that the PC itself is performing extremely well. Absolutely no FPS drops in every game and runs very well smoothly on ultra high settings on most. The only things that brought me here are the readings of Core Temp, the burning hot surface of the PC case and the fans spinning in a very loud fashion.

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    COLGeek April 06, 2009
    It is 8mm shorter than the Noctua.

    One like this would be much shorter:

    https://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail/nh-c14s/specification

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    GoultySoul June 23, 2020
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    Hi!

    I want to buy an Intel I7 9700K CPU, but I don't have enough cash to buy a new MoBo. I have an Asus B250F Gaming MoBo with an I7 7600K, and I'm curious about, if I buy the CPU will the mobo can handle it? It has the 1151 socket so that isn't the problem. It has 16 GB DDR4 RAM, and an RTX 2070. I don't want to overheat it with the cpu.
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    popatim December 02, 2009
    It will not work, Intel has changed what those 1151 pins do, re-ordered them basically.

    You pretty much have the best CPU your board supports,
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    PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/HMs83t

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    Is the 3600/3600x worth that amount of money ( £350-ish which includes faster ram and mobo) so do you think either the 7500 is sufficient for the near future and upgrade later, the price is too much for the difference I will notice or do you think that the 3600/3600x will do we well for some time with it's more cores and more threads at 1440p and it's easy ability to upgrade CPUs without getting a new MOBA.

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    logainofhades April 27, 2009
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    0CyberDyke0 May 20, 2020
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    The sort of PC this thing is is as follows:

    An HP Pavilion Gaming Desktop 790 -0XXX which includes
    32GB of RAM
    an Intel Core i7-9700 CPU @ 3.00GHz
    and is running windows 10

    Ever since we've had the thing (we bought it around December), we've had zero issues with it until now. The thing has been running like a champ given she streams and likes to play pretty hefty games like Dark Souls 3, Conan Exiles, occasionally Terraria, etc.

    And this is where the issues began.

    She installed a mod for DS3 called Cinders, and a few hours into playing the mod (which is a pretty fun overhaul I may add) the whole of her PC BSODs out of nowhere. In the six months we've had it, this is the first time it's ever thrown this huge of a fit. As I am typing this, it regularly crashes every five to ten minutes as if it were clockwork. Whenever it restarts, its disk quickly goes to 100%, and the thing chugs as if it were maxed out on everything. After a few minutes, however, it does level back out and operates as normal.... until it crashes again.
    She's slowly going through updating all of the drivers one by one in the Devices menu, practically trying to speedrun through until all of them are updated before another bsod hits. We've already gone through and taken the step to turn off "quickstart" and deleted what we thought was all of the mod files, but it still persistently crashes. We've also done a Memory Diagnostic, but it didn't detect any problems (go figure). If anyone knows how to help with this, we're all trying to do this without resorting to a full factory reset, given we don't have a Window's disk. Please help!!!
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    Spazey May 21, 2020
    There is a lot going on with microsoft and HP at the moment. Since the start of the month a lot of HP gaming/business desktops have been having the kmode loop without any codes. The best advice I've found at this point is too do the following:

  • Use a restore point to before May the whole month in general has been a mess.
  • Disable fast start up
  • Pause Windows updates to the farthest date out you can. This is because when that date comes it will force you to update atleast one file from a windows update.
  • Pause updates from HP Support Assistant
  • If you are using another Antivirus great it disables Windows Defender for you. If not Disable it install anything else for the time being and TURN ON TAMPER PROTECTION.
  • Note this is all assuming it is a KMODE_EXECUTION_NOT_HANDLED error with no following code afterwards

    I know this is my first post on a new account and seems sketchy fact check me. Search HP KMODE in google go to tools and change it to a 24 post history. There is a growing forum in on HPs website about this issue. Best of luck

    Link is here if you trust me or not.
    https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Operating-Systems-and-Recovery/KMODE-EXCEPTION-NOT-HANDLED/td-p/7591788
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    LordMikeus May 19, 2020
    Advice for upgrading CPU+Cooler and Motherboard
    Hey. I currently have a bottleneck for my CPU and I'm very aware of it. I'm hoping to upgrade very soon (Today if I had a clue) and I've noticed the 10 series for intel processors. I also know I need a motherboard that can hold whatever new CPU I get. I'm hoping to get to a point where I can comfortable do most games at 100+ frames (Is that right to hope for?) and without any problems. I'm fond of my VR games too and noticed some problems with Half Life Alyx. I'm really hoping to do Cyberpunk 2077 with Ray Tracing if it's good at the time of release. I don't know if these goals are realistic or not.

    I was looking at the MSI Z390-A PRO as a new motherboard and for my CPU I was originally looking at the i7 9700k. I then noticed the 10 series seemed to be cheaper and an improvement. I just don't know if it will fit in the MSI motherboard or my machine in general, what sort of cooler I should get for it (was looking at cryorig-h5) or if it is actually better than the i9700k. What should I be considering here? Are there better choices I could make? Would an i7-10700k be the best choice? I know my current goal for processor, motherboard and cooler came close to £500. If I can make that cheaper and still reach all my goals then great. Maybe I could even run solid Minecraft shaders...


    My specs:

    Operating System
    Windows 10 Home 64-bit
    CPU
    Intel Core i5 7500 @ 3.40GHz 46 °C Kaby Lake 14nm Technology
    RAM
    16.0GB Dual-Channel Unknown @ 1066MHz (15-15-15-36)
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Technology Co. Ltd. Z270-Gaming K3 (U3E1) 36 °C
    Graphics
    Dell S2716DG ([email protected]) ------ Main Gaming Monitor
    2769M ([email protected]) ------ I use this monitor for browsing / discord etc on the side
    4095MB NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (Gigabyte) 53 °C
    Storage
    232GB Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250GB (SATA (SSD)) 42 °C
    931GB Seagate ST1000DM010-2DM162 (SATA ) 37 °C
    465GB Western Digital WDC WDS500G2B0A-00SM50 (SATA (SSD)) 35 °C🃏
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    Gmoney06ss July 03, 2015
    At 1440p the difference will be less noticeable. You're also coming from a 7500 both will be a huge upgrade! Since you don't have a 9700k currently, the few missed fps will absolutely go unnoticed. But the money saved sure won't!

    Only reason the swap may be problematic is if you don't do a clean install of windows. Which really is a requirement with either setup you choose. No other worries reliability wise.

    If you go R5 the nhd15 is overkill and you can easily cut the cpu cooler budget in half. Heck, the cooler master 212 is still good for an r5. I'd still go better, but you don't have to. Also r5 includes a cooler, so you can buy one later if unhappy with temps or noise.

    For ryzen ram speed is important. Ryzen loves fast ram. 3rd gen needs 3200-3600mhz. Intel will benefit from ram speed, but isn't near as dependent on it as ryzen. With slow ram and ryzen, you could be losing 20+ fps.

    If you're not considering overclocking you don't have to worry to much about vrm and such. I only mentioned it because the board you have for the 9700k doesn't have a heatsinks over them.

    For ryzen, my go to recommendation, as well as many others too, is:
    MSI tomahawk MAX b450
    R5 3600
    2x8gb 3200-3600mhz ram.

    While you would likely be fine with the Asus board you mentioned, it may or may not come with a 3rd gen ready bios out of the box. Same goes for any other b450 that doesn't specifically say 3rd gen ready. Note that ready and compatible are 2 different things. All b450 boards will support the 3rd gen, but not all will do it out of the box. Some have bios flash abilities without a cpu, and some will require a 2nd gen cpu to update.

    Overall all both will do what you want, but one will do it significantly cheaper than the other. I can tell you I'm in the same predicament! Been on intel for a long time, but amd is making great cpus right now. If cost was equal, I'd go intel again. But to lose a few fps to save a 100+ dollars, it's a tough decision!!
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    WolverineP1 May 17, 2020
    Intel Core i5-10600K vs I7 9700
    They both have similar core clocks and are around the same price, but I was wondering if the 8 cores and 8 threads of the 9700 would be any better or worse than the 6 core and 12 thread 10600k. Hopefully a quick one, just curious.
    Thank you
    D
    DSzymborski November 19, 2010
    Can't answer until the actual reviews.
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    WolverineP1 May 16, 2020
    I5 7500 at 1440p still viable?
    So I have a 1070 and a I5 7500 and game at 1440p in many AAA titles such as Modern Warfare. I do stream too but I stream on Nvenc through my GPU. Although in games such as Modern Warfare warzone, my GPU fluctuates from 60-95, while my CPU is always at 98-99% usage.
    Is the 7500 more than capable for 1440p for the foreseeable future and perhaps I should invest in a new GPU or is upgrading 7500 and 2133mhz RAM much needed. Or even a smaller and cheaper upgrade to maybe a 7700 instead of spending out my ass for a 9700 for example.

    Thank you
    S
    sizzling October 18, 2006
    Resolution makes negligible difference to cpu usage, it mainly impacts gpu usage. 60fps at 1080p will take similar cpu usage to 60fps at 4K.

    However 4 core/thread CPU’s are the bare minimum for new AAA gaming. Now you can play Modern Warefare but many people will say it’s a bad experience but this depends on your tolerance to FPS drops. It seems you are already cpu limited as you are 98-99% constantly so a gpu upgrade will give minimal or no FPS increase.

    A 7700 might be a cheaper upgrade but usually they are overpriced for their level of performance. For gaming you are mainly gaining hyperthreading so the improvements are moderate and still behind a modern mid range cpu.
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    FurryVengence May 12, 2020
    Advice on Overclock: 9700K
    After about 6 months running this new build I thought it was time to finally take advantage of the extra money I spent for the unlocked 9700 I7 I purchased. Bare in mind I've never done much with overclocks before. I know very little outside of what the tutorials pointed out to me.

    Took a look over at youtube and found a few basic overclocking guides, and did the "basic" approach. I am currently running the following (Anything I dont mention its left on auto or whatever the bios defaulted to):

    5 GHZ clock across all 8 cores.
    Using standard XMP2 profile for RAM
    SVID behavior 0
    running 1.29 on voltage
    CPU VCCIO 1.10
    system agent 1.10
    Level 6 CPU Load line
    170 % current capability
    Long duration package is 4095
    package power time 127
    short duration power 4905
    cpu core cache 255.75

    My current PC build:
    INTEL i7 9700k (5.00G)
    Asus TUFF z390-PLUS GAMING (WIFI)
    EVGA GEFORCE RTX 2800 TI
    NZXT h700 case (with the 4 stock case fans)
    DARK ROCK PRO 4 cooler
    16 GB DDR4 RAM 2666

    So far things seem to be running fine. But I'm wondering if its enough, did I just hit a dial or two . Whats really good ways to test I truly have stability? Currently my CPU temps even under load appear to max out at 60 C. Any advice or input would be very helpful. I put a lot of money into this machine already I dont want to burn out randomly and me not know it.
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    zx128k November 23, 2019
    Aidia64 can test most of your system as well. Noctua NH-D15 is a good choice in air cooling. The main issue is that voltages like vcore are specific to the chip being overclocked. 9700k will run hot and will hit +90c when overclocked in stress tests. Temperatures are much lower when running games. Stress tests, just push the limits so that you can find out if you are stable enough.

    Many reviews have 5.1GHz for the 9700k and 5GHz for the 9900k. Review overclocks don't have to be 100% stable or use vcore voltages that are long term 24/7 safe. For example, you can be stable 5.2GHz @1.4 volts but you can never cool that in stress tests without delidding and going direct die water cooling https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/5200MHz-OC-CPUZ-1-1024x1024.jpg . You can still run that voltage for bench runs in a review. https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Temps-Cine-OC-XTU-1.jpg core max 95c.

    SP120L fans running at 2435 RPM. https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/Fans/AIR-SERIES-LED-CONFIG/p/CO-9050014-WW#tab-tech-specs £33 ($40)for two. They are pushing extreme air flow because they can't cool 5.2 GHz enough to bench it. chart shows highest fan speed top cooling

    My 3800x with the EDC bug is ~5300 which is an extreme overclock. With just the RAM overclock 5200 maximum. Both are faster than this 9900ks in cinbench r20 and I can cool the 3800x correctly. https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/cine-R20-multi.jpg

    All this to hit 11472 in Time Spy CPUhttps://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/intel-core-i9-9900ks-5ghz-8c16t-cpu-review/7/. 3800x with the same extreme mindset to cooling https://www.3dmark.com/spy/11990955 11600 (if you have 5c outside and the window open to let the cold air in, normal stock core boost with RAM overclock, normally 11400-11500). With a good 9900ks overclock they should be higher than 12k cpu. In Aida64 the maximum temperature is 98c which is unstable (because temperature is unsafe. A 2c variation in ambient temperature is all that is needed for throttling to occur as it too small a margin, making this OC not 24/7) because temperature is too high. CPU package power of just under 210W.

    What you are not told is that the more you push an overclock the harder it can be to keep stable. You start having to mess with settings you never touched before. RAM overclocking is a real pain for this reason, you have so many settings to play with and each one can affect stablity. In the end, some point, "the wall" will be unstable no matter what you do. Accept this limit.

    Given that CPU chips and RAM kits all have their own characteristics. You can't blindly follow a guide, at some point you have to find the balance that works best for your build. At the start of an overclock you can just put in a the max safe vcore and hit some frequency. The more you push things, the more you have to make changes. Like at some point having maximum vcore causes you to have high temperatures, so to reach that next 100Mhz you start tuning vcore lower until you find the minimum value you are stable. https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9qvb2y/_/e8c2fcb View: https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9qvb2y/my_9700k_aint_boosting_to_49ghz/e8c2fcb/?st=jnnlbfy6&sh=c77f4c38
    Hoping to reduce the total watts required to hit that frequency and thus the cooling required. If that works, you get an extra 100MHz but if your temps are still too high then you have to back off the overclock. Also you can use an AVX offset to reduce frequency with AVX loads. This can help you overclock higher for instructions like SSE which will affect benchmarks like Time Spy and many games.

    There are other settings other than voltage and sometimes they can help too. Like switching frequency of the VRMs, LLC etc. The only way to make sure you hit the frequency you want is to bin for it. This requires buying lots of CPU's and picking the fastest for your overclock. You sell the losers on ebay. The data you get from the process gives you useful information that you can turn into a frequency voltage graph.



    From the graph you can make general recommendations: 1.32v for OC i9-9900K 5GHz, 1.37v for i7-9700K 5GHz and 1.43v for i5-9600K 5GHz.

    So to overclock the 9700K, you first need to start with the CPU Ratio. The target can be 5GHz, so just type in “50” for the CPU Ratio. Then as a starting point you try 1.37 volts which you can increase or reduce as required. If you can't reach 5GHz within safe voltage and temperature you reduce the CPU ratio and start again tuning the voltage.

    Then you change Ring Ratio to 47. You can try your own Ring Ratio, but MSI for example suggest a Ring Ratio that is 3x less than the CPU Ratio. Ring frequency is the frequency of non-core parts of the CPU, such as memory controller and cache. Higher Ring frequency is helpful for better benchmark performance. Too high a ring frequency can also affect the stability of the non-core parts of the CPU. Vcore voltage is also the CPU ring voltage. https://www.msi.com/blog/intel-9th-cpu-overclocking-5ghz-with-z390-motherboards https://www.gigabyte.com/FileUpload/Global/multimedia/2/file/525/946.pdf

    Remember that you have the option to overclock both RAM and CPU. CPU overclocking will always hit some limit, temps or voltage quickly. On the other hand RAM overclocking is a huge time sink which can take weeks of testing and fiddling with settings (there are a lot of settings to play with) to find the limit. You can overclock both RAM and CPU to reach the target performance you want.

    Just treat overclock like a project, it takes time and you need to reseach and understand what you are changing. This way you can reduce the risks of overclocking.

    Just putting maximum settings like LLC etc is not the best way to keep your CPU cool. You can limit the amount of power or current your cpu uses. You can try offset with adaptive voltage instead of manual and keep c-states enabled.

    For example you can try other methods of reaching 5GHz, https://forums.bit-tech.net/index.php?threads/9900k-5ghz-1-2v-guide-gigabyte-z390-master.353729/

    There are lots of overclocking guides and videos. It's worth reading and watching as many as possible.

    Example of a video guide,


    Just be careful some guides and videos get some things wrong, the video above is done by Asus. You need to reseach enough to understand whats happening and be able to catch mistakes. Remember its your CPU you will break if you make a big mistake.
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    horse egg April 07, 2020
    Do i need any changes with current planned builts ? Is intel built better or the AMD?
    Like the question i have researched and finalised these 2 builts. i have a case already which is
    Thermaltake Core V71 Powercover Edition
    Rmx 750w Corsair Power Supply
    The builts i have planned according to my budget are listed below:

    AMD
    Processor: AMD Ryzen 3700X https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box
    Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dmGnTW/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi
    RAM: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8BLwrH/gskill-aegis-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-32gis

    INTEL
    Processor: Core I7-9700k
    https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WtyV3C/intel-core-i7-9700k-36ghz-8-core-processor-bx80684i79700k
    Motherboard: MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon
    https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p2GxFT/msi-mpg-z390-gaming-pro-carbon-atx-lga1151-motherboard-mpg-z390-gaming-pro-carbon
    RAM: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mcH8TW/gskill-aegis-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-f4-3200c16d-16gis

    I can go for 3800x with AMD.
    Do i need any improvement with AMD or INTEL current builds?
    I just want to have a pc that will last for next 5 years or so.
    Which one would be better choice?
    J
    jeremyj_83 August 23, 2017
    I think for the next 5 years the AMD system will be better. You will have identical gaming performance between the 2 but the AMD will have better performance in productivity software. Software that can use more than 8 threads will be much faster on the AMD due to the 16 threads. What CPU cooler are you wanting to use?
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    Nightwielder March 31, 2020
    i9-9900KS vs i9-9900K
    Hi all,

    I'm just looking to buy the last few parts for my new gaming rig, and I am trying to decide if I should cash out for the special edition i9-9900KS vs i9-9900K. I looked around and saw that the original retail for the i9-9900KS was originally very close to the i9-9900K , but now the special edition is going for almost double the mundane version. I don't know if it's worth the extra money, could you advise? My build is as follows (purchased items are striked through):

    Case
    Corsair CC-9011141-WW Carbide Series SPEC-OMEGA RGB - $100 on eBay

    Motherboard
    GIGABYTE Z390 DESIGNARE Gigabyte - $213.66 on Amazon

    Cooling:
    Hydro Seriesâ„¢ H115i RGB PLATINUM SE 240mm Liquid CPU Cooler - $141.08

    Power Supply
    Corsair HX750i - $120 on eBay

    Ram
    CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDR AM DDR4 3600MHz - $342.24 on Amazon

    Moniter
    Dell S2417DG QHD - $201.39 on eBay
    Dell S2417DG QHD - $230 on eBay

    Processor
    Intel Core i9-9900KS - $1000+ on eBay
    Intel Core i9-9900K - $519.99 on eBay
    Intel Core i7-9700 - $346.99 on eBay

    GPU
    RTX 2080 Super - $650 on eBay
    Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070 Super - $470 on eBay
    Gigabyte RTX 2080 Ti - $900


    HHD (M.2)
    Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1 TB - $220 on Amazon
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    Barty1884 April 16, 2015
    I'm sure each review was in the context of the small price bump at the time though.
    If you can't compare retail to retail anymore, all bets are off - and certainly a complete waste of money at roughly 2x on eBay etc.

    Pretty much this, OP. Unless you have a reason not to wait (or go Ryzen), of course.
    The 9900K/KS/KF are solid chips, for what they are.... but you don't want to have near immediate buyers remorse, if you can avoid it.
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    starburststream9845 March 28, 2020
    Aorus Liquid Cooler or Corsair H100i RGB Platinum for i9-9900K?
    After a bit of consideration whether to get the i7-9700K or the i9-9900K ( previous post here ), I've decided to turn my eyes to the i9, because 1) a bit of peer pressure, and 2) my rig is currently for gaming (with an i7-9700), but I will use it for gaming, rendering, and some other heavy stuff in the future. Specs: MSI Z390 Ace with a RTX2060S GPU.

    Now, the dilemma is here:

    Because the i9 is as hungry as a lion, the chip need a very strong cooler to keep it cool, and people always recommend a 280 or 360. Unfortunately, my case, a Corsair Carbide Spec-04, cannot fit a 280 or 360, so I'm stuck with the 240. One person shared with me on Facebook that he used a white LC240 AIO to cool the i9-9900K, so I'm thinking it would be work fine, if the cooling performance is decent.

    I currently am using the Corsair H100i RGB Platinum. I'm unsure if the i9-9900K can survive with the current AIO, so I'm looking into better 240's. One 240 that I'm particularly interested, is the Aorus Liquid Cooler 240, because of the performance that it claimed to have, and the temperature shown on the pump. It is my secondary goal, but I'm not sure if it really cools better. I'm more fond of RGB btw.

    Should I stick to my current Corsair AIO, or switch to to the Aorus AIO?

    Suggestions are most appreciated!

    (I don't really like overclocking, just so you know. I just want better performance).
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    Phaaze88 December 30, 2016
    People are underestimating this cpu because they AREN'T ACTUALLY PUSHING IT... but when that does happen... they'll be in for a warm surprise.

    Did this person share with you actual thermal test results? I would not go by word of mouth only.
    Cinebench R20 loop for at least 15 mins?
    Prime95 small fft for at least 15 mins?
    Asus Realbench for at least 15mins?

    The top end air coolers can barely handle this thing at STOCK, and they're better than 240mm coolers.

    A 240mm is a 240mm, save for the fans and other RGB stuff - if any. Both will run hot with a 9900K anyway.
    I just checked their specs, and the Aorus has weaker fans, so it would actually perform worse.

    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGHiRrQ2AAo


    Skip to 4:40 if you wish - the AIO you currently use is in there, tested with a 9900K at stock and overclocked scenarios, in a realistic Blender workload.
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    Jing__ March 28, 2020
    Unsure what CPU to upgrade to from i5-4690k
    I am currently running an i5-4690K with a gtx 1080ti for 1440p gaming which has been working well till I started playing more recent titles like borderlands 3 and final fantasy 15. I experienced an insane amount of stutters in those games and think that my 1080ti is being bottlenecked so I want to upgrade my CPU and ram.

    I want to play games at 1440p at higher refresh rates and occasionally stream on discord/twitch. I am not sure what I should be upgrading to. I have seen people recommending 3600, 3700x or 9700k. The price jump from 3600 to the 3700x or 9700k seems quite steep so I was wondering if the performance benefits were worth it.

    I have also seen many people recommend the MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX to use with the ryzen chips, are the x570 motherboards not worth the extra price?