Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Bottleneck: RTX 2080 Ti Analysis

Core i5-2500K

Mid-range Desktop processor released in 2010 with 4 cores and 4 threads. With base clock at 3.3GHz, max speed at 3.7GHz, and a 95W power rating. Core i5-2500K is based on the Sandy Bridge 32nm family and part of the Core i5 series.

Core i5-3570K

Mid-range Desktop processor released in 2012 with 4 cores and 4 threads. With base clock at 3.4GHz, max speed at 3.8GHz, and a 77W power rating. Core i5-3570K is based on the Ivy Bridge 22nm family and part of the Core i5 series.

Core i5-4670K

Mid-range Desktop processor released in 2013 with 4 cores and 4 threads. With base clock at 3.4GHz, max speed at 3.8GHz, and a 84W power rating. Core i5-4670K is based on the Haswell 22nm family and part of the Core i5 series.

Core i5-6600K

Mid-range Desktop processor released in 2015 with 4 cores and 4 threads. With base clock at 3.5GHz, max speed at 3.9GHz, and a 91W power rating. Core i5-6600K is based on the Skylake-S 14nm family and part of the Core i5 series.

Core i5-7600K

Mid-range Desktop processor released in 2017 with 4 cores and 4 threads. With base clock at 3.8GHz, max speed at 4.2GHz, and a 91W power rating. Core i5-7600K is based on the Kaby Lake-S 14nm family and part of the Core i5 series.

Core i5-8600K

Mid-range Desktop processor released in 2017 with 6 cores and 6 threads. With base clock at 3.6GHz, max speed at 4.3GHz, and a 95W power rating. Core i5-8600K is based on the Coffee Lake 14nm family and part of the Core i5 series.

Core i5-9600K

Mid-range Desktop processor released in 2018 with 6 cores and 6 threads. With base clock at 3.7GHz, max speed at 4.6GHz, and a 95W power rating. Core i5-9600K is based on the Coffee Lake Refresh 14nm family and part of the Core i5 series.

Core i5-10600K

Mid-range Desktop processor released in 2020 with 6 cores and 12 threads. With base clock at 4.1GHz, max speed at 4.8GHz, and a 125W power rating. Core i5-10600K is based on the Comet Lake 14nm family and part of the Core i5 series.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti - 1080p Bottleneck Analysis

Bottleneck depends on many factors, which include: the cpu, the gpu, and the game. Bottleneck Summary of Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Bottleneck: RTX 2080 Ti Analysis based on the benchmark of6 games at 1080p using NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti:

CPU Average Bottleneck (Lower is better)
Intel Core i5-2500K 49.7%
Intel Core i5-3570K 47.5%
Intel Core i5-4670K 46%
Intel Core i5-6600K 36.6%
Intel Core i5-7600K 31.4%
Intel Core i5-8600K 21.5%
Intel Core i5-9600K 21%
Intel Core i5-10600K 12.7%

Grand Theft Auto V - 1080p

Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Grand Theft Auto V - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS
Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Grand Theft Auto V - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS

Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 1080p

Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS
Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS

Battlefield V - 1080p

Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Battlefield V - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS
Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Battlefield V - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS

PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds - 1080p

Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS
Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS

Forza Horizon 4 - 1080p

Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Forza Horizon 4 - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS
Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Forza Horizon 4 - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS

Apex Legends - 1080p

Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Apex Legends - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS
Core i5-2500K vs Core i5-3570K vs Core i5-4670K vs Core i5-6600K vs Core i5-7600K vs Core i5-8600K vs Core i5-9600K vs Core i5-10600K Apex Legends - 1080p - RTX 2080 Ti FPS

In an ideal world what we want to see is a nice slim 'fuzzy' line stretching from one end on the chart to the other. What we do not want to see are 'spikes'. This spikes are delays in frame time rendering and are where stuttering will occur if they go above a given threshold.

Random, thin spikes are not too much of an issue however should there be a block of spikes in close proximity to one another, especially if these spike jump quite high will likely be noticeable and interpreted as 'stutter'.

Using Frame Time Analysis as a means of measuring GPU performance is clearly a valuable tool. So much so that some would say it should replace the frames per second method of measuring performance. We would tend to agree because as previously stated, it is little point in having a GPU that can produce stupidly high framerates if the end product results in choppy gameplay. For gamers, frame time latency is clearly the better measurement as it is what 'gaming experience can be measured upon'.

Sure, a frametime graph can show you which is the faster card simply by it's length and thus the number of frames rendered over a given period but to get an accurate figure you would also have to calculate this yourself to gain an accurate, by the second average FPS figure. It's no good saying an entry level card has excellent frame time latency and then comparing it to a much faster (FPS) card which has a slower latency. IF both cards are below your own perceived level then you would obviously go with the faster card.

Related Discussions and Issues

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simpleman1234567890 May 01, 2020

Would a i5-2500k bottleneck a rtx 3060?

I have 8gb ram and a 2500k in my back up pc. It has an rx 550 right now and its not good for 1080p gaming. Looking to upgrade to the rtx 3060 this year

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TRL18 April 23, 2020

I’m pretty sure it will bottleneck the shit out of it

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Ilya_Boris June 01, 2020

Will an i-5 2500k clocked at 4.2-4.5ghz bottleneck a 1060 3gb?

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Diddyant May 11, 2020

Your actually still cpu bottlenecked at around 9% loss, in comparison, without the overclock your at a 18%. Your cpu is extremely outdated.

Remember its not all about the easy to see numbers. Even though your running at 4.5ghz, a new chip running at 3.7ghz will be significantly better.

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Ilya_Boris May 08, 2020

Then what sub $40-$50 cpu do you recommend? I live in Russia and the cpus that get sold locally are overpriced, so it's better if I buy it online.

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Initialised May 11, 2020

In gams that scale well for 6 or more cores yes it will. I saw this quite starkly in Apex going from a quad core i7 920 to a six core Xeon.

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DangerousDogo June 26, 2020

i5 2500K GTX Titan bottleneck

Hi, I was wondering if a i5 2500k would present a bottleneck when paired with an original GTX Titan. As long as the bottleneck isn’t too bad it’s fine. If someone could help me out that would be great. Thanks!

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melete June 14, 2020

Very dependent on what you're doing with that rig. For video games (which most people here are asking about), some games don't need more than 4 threads so they'll run just fine on a 2500k. Some games need way more than 4 threads and will run poorly.

Same goes with more productivity-oriented workloads. It depends on if your program is CPU-intensive or not.

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S14YER June 16, 2020

I don't know specifically about that pairing but there's a video by Gamers nexus called "Ryzen 3 3300X Bottleneck Benchmark vs. 2080 Ti, 2070 Super, 2060 KO, & More GPUs" that has great info regarding this general subject. Worth the 20 minutes if you want a data driven approach.

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melete June 24, 2020

Yeah, that's not a bad idea although his CPU is a bit worse than a Ryzen 3300X (his is just 4C/4T). His is closer to a 3200G, dunno if Steve has that one on his benchmarks as well.

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the_welsh_jesus July 14, 2020

Is my 2060 super getting bottlenecked by i5-2500k

My last graphics card a 780 was struggling a bit with some of the more modern games, so I took the plunge on a gtx 2060 super with the intention of upgrading the rest of the system next year. I've overclocked the 2500k to 4.2ghz, any higher and the temps get so high the cpu throttles after a few minutes at full load. I ran hardware monitoring software and some games to test everything out. The gpu was showing hitting 96% load at one point. Does that mean the cpu is good for a while or is it actually bottleneck the system and I'm reading things wrong. I'm gaming at 1080p 144 hz at the moment.

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gabsaturn July 18, 2020

Yes, it is, but not in an aggressive way. The 2500k is still a good-ish cpu but, if I were you, I would upgrade it

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Tribe_Called_K-West July 15, 2020

The GPU hitting 96% is a good thing. You're set until you can afford to upgrade because the most significant thing will probably be the reduced stutters or frame skips.

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MoarCurekt July 16, 2020

1080p 144hz, yes, yes it is.

Run a quick (free) check with shadow of the tomb raider built in benchmark in the demo to get an idea of how much.

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kanchikroko July 27, 2020

Will i5 2500k, ddr3 1866MHz bottleneck a RTX 2070?

Mobo is z68xp-ud3 by Gigabyte.

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slybeans July 27, 2020

You will experience a lot of little stutters that kinda make the experience worst in games.

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Hollowpoint38 July 27, 2020

I've had 4 vehicles since that chip came out. That's interesting to think about.

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VeryFancyNarwhal July 17, 2020

would an i5 2500k bottleneck an rx 570?

on a budget so im doing "research"

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CoreTubezWishez July 12, 2020

5700 xt fine with 3570k without major bottlenecking?

Greetings everyone here, I currently need to upgrade from my garbo 3570k and 960 2gb and found a 5700 xt for really good deal only until sunday but I can't afford to upgrade my entire computer immediately so I've settled on upgrading the gpu first and to 3600 or 4th gen if it's released by holidays. I should be able to have a smooth gaming experience for the meantime with my 3570k in the meantime right? (no stuttering etc), I have a b75 board so overclocking is out of the question. Thanks for taking your time reading my post.

If you want to know, most demanding game I'm playing is probably MW

Edit: for those who wanted to know, I'm playing at standard 1080p

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Kilobytez95 July 17, 2020

It's going to bottleneck. My 3570K @ 4.4ghz bottlenecked my GTX 970 pretty hard so I upgraded to a 3700x. Your gpu is faster so it's going to bottleneck for sure.

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John_Doexx July 11, 2020

The 970 should not be hard bottleneck for a oc’ed 3570K at all

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iamralphfiennes April 16, 2020

Would the bottlenecking make games unplayable if I matched a 2060 super with an Overclocked i5-3570k?

So yeah, title. I have no GPU atm so was thinking of getting a new GPU first, then build up funds for the rest. I only have a currently stock clocked 3570k though, so would stuttering and lag and frame drops in games like Dark Souls 3, Sekiro, Total War 3 kingdoms, Skyrim be very bad with that combo? Played at 1080p, ideally on ultra settings for most games. This is just a stop gap for the next few months.

What I was planning to do was use the 2060S for the time being, and when it comes time to build an entire new system later in the year, sell it on ebay and get the next gen GPUs (the new navis or the new nvidia 3000 series gpus)


thanks!

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monnizzz March 12, 2020

I had a gtx 1060 and a i5 3470k overclocked and it bottlenecked in 99% of my games so i guess it will bottleneck but depends on your ram too

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iamralphfiennes April 16, 2020

By bottleneck do you mean terrible stuttering and lag, or simply that it wasnt fully utilising your GPU to its capacity?

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jjerry26 March 27, 2020

"The bottlenecking", is that some sort of forest troll that makes PCs slower for no good reason? Don't want that, noooo sir.

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iamralphfiennes April 06, 2020

LOL I certainly hope not!

But yeah I just read on linustechtips and places that the cpu being too weak for the gpu causes major stuttering and stuff, but I guess not?

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justkarma March 12, 2020

You will not get major stuttering or lag but your CPU/ram will limit the performance of your card some yes. It highly depends on the game though. Actually your ram speed might be a bigger bottleneck at the moment since you still run ddr3. What is your ram speed ?

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iamralphfiennes April 21, 2020

Thanks. My RAM is 8GB ddr3 I believe, the G.Skill PC3-10667U.


As a matter of interest, would it perhaps be better to buy a cheaper 1660ti or something if the performance gains on the 2060 will be dampened quite a bit (though the flip side to that is having a good backup gpu can come in handy, and the price of a 1660ti will pobably depreciate insanely by next year whereas if I wanted to sell the 2060S I'd imagine i'd get a decent price for it even next year).

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Tsukino_Stareine March 22, 2020

bottlenecking doesn't cause performance drops, the hardware itself not keeping up with the demands of the game causes that.

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iamralphfiennes April 21, 2020

Oh does it not? I read up a bit on this before I posted and what I read said there could be major stuttering and lag drops and the like.

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AsianKidTom1 June 12, 2020

Will the gtx 1650 super bottleneck my intel i5 3570k at 3.2ghz?

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BlakBanana June 14, 2020

I’ve got an old i5-3570k build, what’s the best graphics card I can use with it that won’t bottleneck?

I’d be getting a brand new 500gb SSD to run the OS off, and I have 16gb of RAM (easily upgradable to 32gb if necessary). Basically I want to be able to play games like Valorant, Overwatch, the new Modern Warfare etc with maybe two years of “future proofing” before I’m forced to run new games on medium-low settings. I’ve heard the i5-3570k is still a solid chip if paired with the right parts, so I’d like y’all’s input.

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ss90kim July 14, 2020

Looking to upgrade graphics card. Will 3rd generation i5-3570K cause bottleneck issues?

I have not upgraded in a while and not the most up to date on technology.

My rig currently has i5-3570K with MSI Z77A-GD65 motherboard and ASUS GTX 770 graphics card and 850W PSU all purchased around 2013.

Can I upgrade my graphics card only so it is viable for my setup? Want high fps and play games such as CSGo and Valorant.

Or do I need to start a new build completely?

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Important-Researcher July 14, 2020

It will even bottleneck an gtx 1650 in some games, for high fps a cpu is more important, but the gtx 770 should be enough for 144fps in csgo

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Joeshans21 July 12, 2020

It would depend on what graphics card you’re upgrading to, like if you wanted 1660-ish performance you’d probably be fine in most games but obviously if you’re going for a 2080 ti you’d be bottlenecked quite a bit. Just depends on what card you want.

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ss90kim July 11, 2020

What would be the highest I can upgrade to without running into issues like bottleneck?

Also, will I run into same issue whether I go Nvidia or AMD?

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Herdnerfer July 12, 2020

Yes you can upgrade it, but also yes, most modern cards would be bottlenecked by your CPU. You’d still see a definite improvement in games, just not as big an improvement than if you got a new CPU/MOBO/RAM also.

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taa_v2 March 17, 2020

How much of a bottleneck? GTX 970 to 2060s, i5-3570k

Still running my old i5-3570k (sometimes stock, sometimes at 4.x Ghz - overclocking is a real pain with the Asus z77 LE-Plus mboard I have - it never seems to stick), currently with a GTX 970.

Grabbed an evga 2060 super with the $350 Amazon deal. I mostly play racing games (Dirt Rally 1.0 and 2.0, Assetto Corsa) but occasionally play some other games as well - and I want to MAYBE try those at 4K. I don't do anything competitively / online, just for my own fun.

I can still return the card. Would it be massively unbalanced, and I'd barely get any improvement out of the 2060s? Or would I be losing like 5-10% max?

Some sites suggest I'd lose 20-25% of the power of the 2060s, even running the 3570k at 130% clock speed - does that seem realistic?

What's a good bang-for-buck gaming CPU these days? Intel or Ryzen? I have a Ryzen 1700 in my Linux desktop/workstation, but for gaming, it doesn't seem to be much of an improvement according to gpucheck..

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bappled23 March 27, 2020

I don’t have numbers for how much it’ll bottle neck the GPU but my friend has the same CPU as you and uses a 1660 TI and has been pretty bottlenecked across all games.

A good option on a budget is ryzen 2 like 2600 or 2700x. If you can swing it I’d recommend a 3600

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gho0st_ March 27, 2020

If you're gonna upgrade that CPU I'd go Ryzen. The 2600 is a great six core processor and you can find it for a good deal almost anywhere.

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rottinghuntard March 12, 2020

Get the 1600 zen plus rehash for 85$ on amazon(assuming you dont have a microcenter) which is a 2600 all but in name.

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elreyhorus March 27, 2020

The 3570K's main weakness is being limited to 4 threads, so any modern multi-threaded game that can use more than 4 threads will be bottlenecked by the CPU. This means less FPS, especially if you game above >60 Hz refresh rate. It's worth experimenting with graphics settings and running at 4K resolution to see if you can shift some of the bottleneck away from the CPU and onto the GPU.

As for rebuilding your computer, I recommend the newest Ryzen 3000 series. I have a 3570K and RX480, so I feel your pain.

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taa_v2 March 27, 2020

Thanks for the quick responses and good feedback.

Probably time to return the card then, and wait for next gen and do a full rebuild. $$ isn't so much of a concern, but I don't game THAT often.

OTOH, seems the Ryzen 3600 is a bit better and only $40-50 more?

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xX_Bread_Xx April 06, 2020

2600 would absolutely get the job done but the 3600 is more future proof and would last longer.

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justjayhere_ March 22, 2020

https://pc-builds.com/calculator/Core_i5-3570K/GeForce_RTX_2060_SUPER/0dm14plu/16/

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taa_v2 April 11, 2020

Thanks - I did look at that.. Seems to say that my 970 is a perfect match for my 3570k...

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frostygrin April 21, 2020

Bottlenecking varies from game to game, and there's no point in getting a slower card. Just upgrade the CPU when you can.

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hackenclaw March 07, 2020

depends on resolution & Fps

I ran my 2500K @ 4.1GHz on a 1660Ti, but resolution is @ 2560x1080x75Hz. 1660Ti is just right no bottleneck, any faster GPU is bottleneck. Ran Assassin Creed unity, Syndicate, Rise of Tomb raider, Dishonored 2 at max detail at those fps/resolution. CPU/GPU usage % is pretty balance never more than 5-10% difference.

If you are on 1920x1080p or faster refresh rate monitor, I think the fastest you can support is 1060.

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SqueezyCheez85 March 22, 2020

I just upgraded from a 970 and 3570k.

I now have a Ryzen 3700X and a 2070 Super. The differences are night and day. The 3570k will be a bottleneck for almost every GPU that exceeds the 970 in performance.

The best "bang for your buck" CPU right now is probably the Ryzen 3600.

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The Intel Core i5-9600K is a mid-range 6-core desktop processor targeted at gamer enthusiasts, a user segment that mainly games on their PC, but has an understanding of hardware tweaking with the want to eke out a little more performance over time.
Test System & Configuration: Hardware: Intel LGA 1151 (Z390)Intel Core i9-9900K, i7-9700K, i5-9600K, i7-8700K, i5-8600K, i5-8400MSI MEG Z390 Godlike2x 8GB G.Skill FlareX DDR4-3200 @ DDR4-2667 ...
The Intel Core i5-10600K is an undeniably fast midrange gaming CPU, but at its launch price, it needs more daylight between it and Ryzen 7 chips above, and less between it and the Ryzen 5 ones below.
The Core i5-10600K is arguably the most compelling of the 10th-gen unlocked desktop parts. First, it's the most affordable of the bunch, set to retail for $262. Second, if you look at the spec ...
The Core i5-10600K doesn’t have high-end new features like Turbo Boost 3.0 Max or Thermal Velocity Boost – those are reserved for high-end Core i9 chips like the flagship i9-10900K.
The Intel Core i5-10600K has a single-core Turbo Boost of 4.8GHz and 4.5GHz for an all-core Turbo Boost. This is slightly higher than the 4.6GHz single-core Boost of the 9600K, but much higher ...
The stock Core i5-10600K vies with the Ryzen 5 3600X at stock settings, but its higher overclocking headroom grants it the overall win as it edges out the higher-clocked Core i7-9700K.
The Intel Core i5-10600K is an undeniably fast midrange gaming CPU, but at its launch price, it needs more daylight between it and Ryzen 7 chips above, and less between it and the Ryzen 5 ones below.
Core i5 10600K processor review More cores, more clock frequency, a stronger gaming processor. Priced at 262 USD, this processor based on Comet Lake-S architecture and tied to the Z490 platform ...
The Core i5-10600K is Intel's biggest upgrade in the mid-range for years. Driven by strong competition from AMD, Intel is now giving us a 6c/12t CPU with 125 W TDP and the full compliment of 12 MB cache. Our Core i5-10600K benchmarks show it to be a formidable performer, especially in gaming.
Sada je pred nama blistava kometa 10. generacije Core procesora, u vidu najnovijeg Core i5 10600K izdanja. Da li će se duže zadržati na CPU nebu, videćemo u periodu koji je pred nama...
The Corsair H115i handles the Core i5-10600K with little effort during our stress tests, Prime95 included, signaling that this is an easy-to-cool chip, and air cooling is certainly an option.

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pentixxxxxx July 30, 2020
i5 2500k base clock at 3.6Ghz ?
I just bought 2x i5 2500k's and one of them seems to be fine (windows and bios) but the otherone gives weird values in task manager etc.
In bios the one that gives the weird values seems to be fine.. it has 33x multiplier and the rest is on Auto.
So why does it say that it has the base clock at 3.6 ghz and it bumps over 3.7-3.8 sometimes in task manager, if the bios multiplier is set to 33x dosent that mean that it isnt OC'ed ?
(i dont really know if something is wrong or if its just a bug or something )

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dorsai November 23, 2013
Task manager is not a reliable frequency utility so the "base speed" info is useless...according to cpu-z you have a 35x multiplier and it's running at 3500mhz so it looks normal.

The multiplier should be on "auto" in the BIOS and the 2500x will scale between 3300 and 3700mhz depending on cpu load as long as cool n quiet and other core features are on in the BIOS.
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pell380 July 15, 2020
rx 470, rx 480 , rx 570 , rx 580
After the lockdown in my country prices of every gpu is now 30$ more so now i have to decide which one should i go for

rx 470 4gb - 18/19k Pakistani rupees

rx 480 8gb - 25k to 26k Pakistani rupees

rx 570 4gb or 8gb
21k for 4gb and 23k for 8gb

rx 580 8gb
28k to 30k Pakistani rupees

Right now i have gtx 660 which i can sale in 9k and add more money to get above mention gpus but i dont want to spend to much on old gpu as risk is involved i need to play games on 1080p ultra is not a must but medium to high mix is required what should be my logical upgrade to get mosr value for money i have i5 2500k @4.2ghz and 16gb ram

Is rx 470 4gb can handle games on 1080p medium + high or i need to minimum get the rx 570 for that ? because if rx 470 cant handle then is it logical to to go for rx 480 ? as i have reas that they are almost same card
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tennis2 November 12, 2018
RX570 = RX470 but with higher frequency

RX580 = RX480 but with higher frequency

Each respective 500 series card will be about 8% faster at stock, but the 400 series cards can be custom tuned to hit the same frequencies as their 500 series successors. The 500 series cards might have slightly better heatsinks to deal with the additional power consumption from being factory OCd, but you'll have to confirm that on a case-by-case basis.


(the framerates above were from 1440p resolution testing)

If you want framerates from specific games, check out some benchmarks. Like so


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pell380 July 10, 2020
Antec 380 watt 80+ psu
i have this antec 380 watt psu its 80+ and it can run my i5 2500k oc at 4.3ghz with gtx 660 , my friend is giving me its gtx 970 gigabyte g1 can i run this gtx 970 on my current psu ? i can stop over clocking to save power gtx 660 tdp is 140 watts and 970 has like 148 watts
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refillable November 15, 2011
No, I won't use it beyond APUs/integrated graphics.
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Armoredhound June 25, 2020
Hyper 212 Evo in Cooler Master K280
Greetings.


This is my first post in this forum, so let's see how it goes.



I have the CM K280 case with very poor cable management and hardware inside it.
My question is - Will it fit? If it fits, do I have to remove my 4th ram stick so the cooler fits?

Computer Specs (Doesn't really matter, advices accepted)

CPU : Intel Core I5 2500K
GPU : Sapphire R9 290X (1 fan type blowerstyle)
HDD : Samsung (Unknown model) 7200 RPM 1 TB
RAM : Crucial 1333 MHZ
Motherboard - GA-Q77M-D2H (Gigabyte, that's the model)
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WildCard999 July 18, 2014
The 212 EVO should be a big improvement over the stock cooler as it should keep that 2500K within safe limits and perhaps even allow for a decent overclock if you have it paired with a unlocked motherboard.

The cooler has little to do with streaming besides keeping the CPU cool. Since the 2500K is only a quad core it may struggle a bit with streaming however it depends on the game(s) and settings.
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MansterZQ June 19, 2020
AsRock Z77 Pro 4 + I5 2500k
Hi! I'm just buy a "used" mobo (50$ from Poland) for my pc from 2012y. This mobo is : AsRock Z77 Pro 4. How much can I overclock the processor on this board?. the cpu (i5 2500k) with cooler spartan 3 ? (13$ from Poland)
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Zerk2012 October 06, 2014
They made 2 versions of the cooler one with 2 heat pipes on each side and one with 4 heat pipes on each side that will matter.

The pro 4 is a low budget board so not the best for overclocking but the 2500K usually overclocks easy.

Depending on the cooler and how good of a chip you got probably in the 4.0 / 4.2 area with the cheap (2 heat pipes) cooler and might get 4.4 /4.6 area with the better one.

They all overclock different so that could vary.

Back when I used mine I could hit 5.2 on water cooling using a Z77 Extreme 4 board.

EDIT I bought mine new with a low budget GB Z67 board and clocked it to 5.0 day 1 then after about 3 years the board started acting up so bought the Z77 and got it to 5.2 few years later it became unstable and dropped it back to 5.0 using the same voltage it took for 5.2. Still going strong it's my son's PC now if the freaking 10600K ever comes in stock going to retire it and give him my 4790K.
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MansterZQ June 12, 2020
CPU Overclock --- i5 2500k & GA-P67A-D3-B3
I have the GA-P67A-D3-B3 Rev 2 motherboard. Can I overclock the i5 2500k without having a heat sink on the power section?
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Karadjgne December 26, 2012
Question : Do you have money enough to replace a working pc?

Anwer 1 : Yes. Ok then, you've had it since 2012 and it's getting old and slow compared to new and heavy games, go for it for as long as it lasts. Not going to hurt anything but your wallet.

Answer 2 : No money. Ok then, you need the pc to last long enough to give you time to save up for replacement, so don't OC much at all, because you have no idea how much life is left in the board, caps, psu, cpu etc and you don't have realistically nearly enough cooling.

Simple.
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Zerk2012 May 26, 2020
Secure erase VS quick format SSD.
Been a while on this for me so just to make sure, If I remember right it will do the same thing but since it was the C drive the quick format will still leave a windows old that needs to be deleted. But secure erasing a Samsung drive that is a C drive requires another PC since you can't erase your C drive with the OS on it. (Then their also the chance of bricking the drive Frozen state on a secure erase)

So I'm thinking quick format, delete windows old, then another quick format. Like I said could be wrong on the windows old but just checking.

Upgrading PC tomorrow since the 10600K is supposed to be released don't really need to upgrade mine but giving my son the 4790K to replace his 2500K.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TDxFn7
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USAFRet March 16, 2013
Commandline function diskpart, and the clean command will wipe all on that 860 EVO.
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Fantazzy May 24, 2020
Need help on what do you think i should upgrade my gaming pc ! budget [700€]
Hi guys so i needed some help to upgrade my pc for gaming and streaming games like CS:GO apex legends and more competitive games.

My current specs are:
CPU:Intel Core i5 2500k
GPU: GeForce GTX 1050-ti
Mainboard:ASUS P8h77-VLE
RAM: 8GB DDR3

Should i change everything ?
Gpu is "recent" in terms that i bought it 2/3 years ago and i think the ram it's okay to keep it also right?
Anyway Give me your thoughts if i could still upgrade with some components that he has or if i should completely change everything my budget is 700€.

Thanks in Advance !
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Wolfshadw August 03, 2006
Probably go with adding a smaller M.2 drive for your OS and a couple primary games/applications. Use your current drives for additional storage:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (€331.00 @ Globaldata)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard (€189.90 @ Globaldata)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (€109.99 @ Corsair)
Storage: Crucial MX500 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€52.90 @ Globaldata)
Total: €683.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-05-25 11:16 CEST+0200

-Wolf sends
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pasty717 May 10, 2020
Upgrading from the i5 2500k
Is the core I5-2500k the end of the line for that chipset, or are there other CPU's i could upgrade to with having to swap out my motherboard?

Motherboard is a Gigabyte something, i can't remember off the top of my head
Edit:
GA-Z68AP-D3 motherboard
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Jay_dog April 14, 2020
i5-2550K is the end of the line for the i5 2nd Gen Series. If you want to get an i7 these are the compatible CPUs for your MB:

i7-2700K, i7-2600K, i7-2600S, and i7-2600

Since your MB only supports 2nd Gen Intel Processors you are very limited on upgrades when it comes to performance. I suggest if you have any money in your budget to upgrade your motherboard and CPU to a newer gen instead of spending money on old tech.
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aqe040466 May 02, 2020
Is anybody still using i5 2500K for gaming but with a high end gpu like GTX 2080?
Just asking, everything was upgraded except the old good old Intel i5 2500K overclock at 4.5 GHZ.
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Karadjgne December 26, 2012
Blah, blah, blah 1080p. Bump that to a 4k monitor and the i5-2500k will have almost no issues.

Fps limit is set by the cpu, not the gpu. Fps onscreen is the gpu. Cpu doesn't have anything to do with resolution or detail levels, that's all gpu. So a 9900k and 2080ti will get 60fps at 4k, the I5 2500k will be right behind it. The first will be gpu limited, the second cpu limited, but on a 60Hz 4k monitor, it doesn't matter which is limited but one for sure will be.

Even the more graphically intense games at 1440p are going to stress even high grade gpus.

Yes, there are plenty who use Sandy-Bridge and Ivy-Bridge still, it's a matter of not everyone plays the latest and greatest must have popularity contest games.
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jordiee April 28, 2020
Can I upgrade from a GTX 550TI to a Radeon RX 570
I want to upgrade my GPU while I'm saving for a new machine.

My current machine:

CPU: I5-2500k
PS: CX650
MEM: 16gb (4x 4gb sticks DDR3)
GPU: GTX 550 TI

I'd like to upgrade to a Radeon RX 570, would it be possible considering my current setup? I'd was thinking about the CPU as a possible bottleneck, but I'm not too savvy at this stuff.
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cdrkf March 18, 2013
I think you should be ok - a 2500K isn't a bad gaming cpu (especially with a bit of an overclock) and a CX650 psu should handle an RX 570 no issue.

One thought, what motherboard do you have? The modern AMD cards do require that the motherboard supports "UEFI Bios" - that came in around the same time as the Intel 2000 series cpu's so you should be ok but worth checking.
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Variant57 April 18, 2020
Which would be best cooler for Core i5 2500k?
I am looking for a cooler for my old Core i5 2500k? Which one would be good to get?
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Groveling_Wyrm December 11, 2002
Hyper 212 Evo would easily do the job.
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aahoria April 08, 2020
IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL
Hello everyone,
I've been having frequent BSODs on my self-built PC , at least once per day. Gaming, or in simple stand by.
my dump file here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1H9TdTQ7SFKfHINZuEzX81TkMksrHJzhs/view?usp=sharing
Mem Test 86 failed, I have the results but I don't know how to upload it here.
PS: Bios version is up to date, windows up to date, same to graphics and any other drivers. Also, after the MemTest, checkdisk and any other "Microsoft fixing solutions", I don't have it any more. Still got the issue on my head, maybe it's still there.
System Info:
EFI Specifications 2.31 System Manufacturer System manufacturer Product Name System Product Name Version System Version Serial Number System Serial Number BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc. Version 3603 Release Date 11/09/2012 Baseboard Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC. Product Name Maximus IV GENE-Z Version Rev 1.xx Serial Number MB-1234567890 CPU Type Intel Core i5-2500K @ 3.30GHz CPU Clock 3311 MHz [Turbo: 3788.4 MHz] # Logical Processors 4 L1 Cache 4 x 64K (91354 MB/s) L2 Cache 4 x 256K (50869 MB/s) L3 Cache 6144K (28043 MB/s) Memory 16281M (16239 MB/s) DIMM Slot #0 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 Corsair / CMX8GX3M2A1333C9 / 03000000 9-9-9-24 / 1332 MHz / 1.5V DIMM Slot #1 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 Kingston / 9905471-006.A01LF / 4728A545 9-9-9-24 / 1332 MHz / 1.5V DIMM Slot #2 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 Kingmax Semiconductor / FLFF65F-C8KF9 9-9-9-24 / 1332 MHz / 1.5V DIMM Slot #3 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 Kingston / 9905471-006.A01LF / 48288045 9-9-9-24 / 1332 MHz / 1.5V
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NoTraX July 16, 2020
OC Limit?
I've overclocked my i5 3570k to 4.7ghz with 1.25V and it's stable, but when I try to reach up to 4.8ghz the voltage jump seems ridiculously high, to have 4.8 stable I need 1.38. Is this some sort of 'soft cap' on my CPU or am I doing something wrong?
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NoTraX July 06, 2020
I think I had done something wrong in the BIOS earlier, because this time I reset everything to default then went to 4.8ghz with 1.295V and it's running stable now!
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NoTraX July 06, 2020
Is my overclocking reasonable?
Hi, I decided to overclock my CPU, It's a I5 3570k currently running at 4.7ghz with 1.25v. I'm using Prime95 to stress test it and maximum temp reaches about 66-72 and idle is about 50. Can I keep pushing on this OC or should I stop here?
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CompuTronix November 13, 2006
You have a decent motherboard which is quite capable of supporting an overclocked 3570K, as well as the 3770K, which has higher actual power consumption due to Hyper-Threading. As long as you have an adequate Power Supply (PSU) and you don't exceed 1.3 Vcore and 80°C, you shouldn't have any concerns.

Here's our PSU tier list so you know where your PSU ranks in terms of quality.

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CptKevMan June 23, 2020
new build, $1500 budget, advice?
Approximate Purchase Date: As soon as possible, this week or next.

Budget Range: $1500-$2000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, movies/tv, photo/video editing.

Are you buying a monitor: in the near future

Parts to Upgrade: everything.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Preferably Newegg.

Location: Georgia, USA

Parts Preferences: This is where I'm stuck, inte l is supposedly better for gaming, but it seems the majority of gaming PC's come with amd now.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: currently using BenQ GW2765HT Eye Care 27 inch IPS 2560 x 1440p


Additional Comments: I'm planning on getting a 3000 series GPU when they come out, I'll be using my 980ti until then. Don't really care much for RGB. Want to stick with a 1440p monitor, maybe go with 4k in the future. Not really interested in VR as of now.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Most of my current build is from 2012, just need a change and an overall upgrade.

Here's what I put together on pcpartpicker, anything that needs to be changed?

future pc

My current PC specs:
ASRock Z77 Extreme4
Intel Core i5-3570K
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti GAMING 6G
G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (4 x 4GB)
SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5" 128GB
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 ST1000DM005/HD103SJ 1TB
XFX PRO750W XXX
NZXT Phantom 410

thanks!
Kevin
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logainofhades April 27, 2009
9900k is overpriced, and on a dead platform. AMD is so close, in gaming, especially at 1440p, or 4k, that you would be hard pressed to tell the difference, in most titles. That is why they get recommended so much. They are cheaper, good enough gaming performance, while excelling at tasks that are more workstation oriented. If gaming is your main goal, with the other stuff being secondary, a 3700x would get the job done, for you. Now if you think you are going to be more serious, about the video editing side of things, then a Ryzen 9 would be a great choice. It's just a matter of how important those tasks are to you.



PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor ($699.66 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: EVGA CLC 280 113.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($119.49 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($269.99 @ Best Buy)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory ($178.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($119.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sabrent Rocket Q 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL II-X ATX Mid Tower Case ($94.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Fractal Design Ion+ 860 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1932.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-23 11:03 EDT-0400
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JasonTD May 15, 2020
Daily crash to black and fans turn on high
Hello! I am reposting a question / problem I had from last month in the hopes that I can get some responses by including more information in my initial message.

I'm having a problem where my system crashes to a black screen, and all the fans (all case fans, CPU fan, and GPU fans) suddenly kick into high gear, blowing loud until I manually hit the reset on the case. Once I reset, the system reboots and runs normally. Occasionally it will crash again a little later, but it usually runs fine the rest of the day after that restart. This problem has been happening once or twice a day, and I've noticed it happens more often when I'm watching a video or playing a game, but it also happens when I'm not doing those things as well, most frequently right after I wake the computer from sleeping in the morning.

Strangely, this exact same problem happened with this system almost a year ago. I tried to troubleshoot the crashing for a couple of months last summer. It suddenly cleared up without my having done anything that I'm aware of to resolve it. I thought everything was fine, but now it's started back again. It's certainly frustrating, and I'd appreciate some direction in identifying what's causing the issue and resolving it. I have noticed a potential correlation between the problem happening again shortly after Windows updates and then getting better again for a while when there are no big updates.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Here are my main system specs:

EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0
Intel Core i5-3570K CPU @3.40GHz
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 Motherboard
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Corsair CX Series 750 Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified Modular Power Supply
Cooler Master HAF XM Case

According to CoreTemp, my cores right now are at the following temperatures:
0: 28ºC (max 39º)
1: 29ºC (max 41º)
2: 33ºC (max 45º)
3: 29ºC (max 41º)

According to GPUTemp, the GPU right now is at 39ºC

Thank you!
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m-mag May 15, 2020
Upgrading old build: Xeon E3 1280 vs i5 3570k vs i7 3770k?
Hi there,

I opened a thread some time ago: https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/upgrading-h67-i3-2100-pc-opportunities-is-there-hope.3587857/ as I wanted to upgrade my PC.

Specs:
  • Gigabyte PH67A-D3-B3 (H67 but without a graphics card on-board) ( https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-PH67A-D3-B3-rev-10/support#support-cpu )
  • Intel i3 2100 Sandy Bridge socket 1155 LGA @ 3.1GHz, L3 Cache 3MB
  • Memory 2 sticks: 2x4GB (a Kingstone HyperX and a Patriot, I think one was 1066 and another was 1333 so running @1066)
  • PSU: CoolerMaster 500W
  • HDD (yes, not SSD) 1TB SSD 500 GB Samsung 860 EVO
  • GPU: Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (don't think I'll upgrade this for now, and it will be bottlenecked by other components)
I ordered RAM 2x8GB (still not delivered), got an SSD and feel things are doing fine. Now I want better performance when it comes to daily tasks, virtual machines (I'm a developer) and gaming. So I'm trying to balance those!

So I concluded my mobo could support up to the three CPUs: Upgrading old build: Xeon E3 1280 (or Xeon E3 1290) (Not V2 nor V3) vs i5 3570k vs i7 3770k.

I'm a little puzzled.

  • Is it worth it?
  • Which do you think will provide better performance vs. money? Most of the i7 3770k I found on eBay are too expensive for such an old CPU. I found some Xeons but not all the models are there (only the E3 1280 I could find with a reasonable price ($49))
  • PS. I know my mobo doesn't allow overclocking (does it?) but I been told the K version has marginal better performance. (And I know I'll lose OC completely if I get the Xeon's)

    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
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    mangaman June 13, 2015
    The Xeon is not over clockable, but with prices going anywhere from 40-70 dollars, its an absolute bargain compared to the i7. Both the i7 and Xeon have 4 cores and 8 threads, but with the K series, you can overclock the i7 and i5.

    The i5 processor is overclockable, but has no hyper-threading and is only 4 cores 4 threads, where as the Xeon and i7 are both 4 cores and 8 threads. The extra 4 threads help out quite a bit today with games and programs.

    Looking at the wiki page, H67 only supports the onboard graphics overclocking. If you could overclock the CPU, you would be very limited.

    With all of that in mind, the Xeon would be your best bet. The i7 is just too expensive and the i5 is only a 4 threaded CPU. The E3 1290 can get on the expensive side at times, but if you can find either at 40-70 dollars, go for the Xeon.
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    olijenkins May 12, 2020
    PC won't boot
    Hi guys,

    I have posted on this forum years back with a similar problem on another PC which turned out to be a faulty PSU. Now resolved.

    I have been following this detailed guide before troubling you all with my dilemma:- https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/perform-these-steps-before-posting-about-post-boot-no-video-problems.1285536/

    This is my system:

    ASUS M-atx MAXIMUS V GENE Z77 1151
    Intel i5-3570K Ivy Bridge
    RAM Kingston HyperX Genesis DDR3 1866mhz 4GB x 4
    Thermaltake Water 2.0 240mm Radiator (2 x Arctic 120mm fans)
    Corsair TX 650w PSU

    GPU NVidia GTX 980 4GB

    Sandisk 128GB SSD

    This set up has worked in the past but has been out of action for around a year now. (no time to troubleshoot until corona virus popped up)

    The problem began when I migrated the system into a new case and added two WD Blue HDDs. I couldn't get it to show anything on the screen and I was greeted with this noise:- View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=desXDQXJrJA


    A year later, I have now removed the system from the case and "breadboarded" it. I now only have the MOBO, CPU, Cooler, RAM and PSU connected. This is done through the 8-pin and 24-pin plugs only.

    The same noise still occurs when I press the power switch however, it now only revs up for a few seconds, displaying MOBO LEDs, shuts down, then repeats the cycle. I am not sure why it doesn't stay on anymore.

    The noise actually sounds although it is coming from the CPU/Cooler. It doesn't appear to be coming from the PSU, and the HDDs are not attached.

    I have a new PSU coming tomorrow, so I hope that will resolve the problem, but I wondered has anyone had a problem like this before?

    I have tried the following:-
    Removed GPU and used MOBO display ports
    Reseated RAM using 1 stick, 2 sticks and 4 sticks in every slot.
    Reseated CPU and CPU Cooler with new Thermal Paste
    Removed entire system from case keeping only the essentials plugged in
    PSU paperclip test

    EDIT: Have now also ordered an Arctic Alpine 12 Compact Intel CPU Cooler, 95W

    Any help massively appreciated. This has been driving me nuts for some time now

    Thanks

    Oli
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    The_Prophecy May 16, 2006
    Yeah that definitely sounds like a pump problem in the cooler to me. You might have multiple problems though, as even if the pump has failed, the machine should still power on and boot up, it would just run hot.
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    hollowmoongaming May 10, 2020
    4 Core 4 Thread i5 Vs 4 Core 8 Thread Xeon for gaming ? What is better
    What would be better for gaming ?

    Looking at an i5 3570k Vs Xeon E3 1265L v2

    Upgrading my old PC to hand down to my brother....

    I understand the i5 has only 4 cores and 4 threads Vs the Xeon's 4 core 8 threads.

    My question is do games these days even utilise more than 4 cores or have we not reached that point yet

    These 2 CPU's can be had for roughly the same price at the minute where I live.

    Specs;

    Asrock B75M motherboard
    Radeon RX 580 8gb
    16gb 1600mhz Corsair Ram

    He plays games such as Rust, Arma 3, Fortnite etc.

    Thanks
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    blazerboy November 12, 2010
    The ryzen thought is true, it will mean buying ram and a board as well. Prohibitive to what the op seems to want. Maybe the middle ground here is spending a little more and opting for a 3770k where he can have the 3570 single thread performance but also the HT and multi core performance maximum for that board. The cost shouldn't be much more.
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    fhh April 27, 2020
    Best System for future Games
    Hi,
    here is my ancient system:
    asus p8h77v
    3570k
    16gig ram
    zotac gtx970 extreme core
    I want to upgrade my MB , cpu and ram.
    so is this system ⬇ suitable for some future games like GTA VI or residentevil 4 Remake on 1080p resolution?.(these 2 games are very important for me )
    A basic b450 mother board
    ryzen 5 1600(i think 2600 is more expensive with same performance.but I'm not sure)
    16 gig ddr4 ram
    and my own graphic card.
    Thanks
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    NightHawkRMX January 01, 2018
    Oh at that resolution you should have no issues with the 970.

    I would, in fact, keep your setup and try these games before upgrading. You may find that they run fine.

    If you do want an upgrade, the 1600+B450+16gb ram is good.
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    willyj73 April 11, 2020
    Asrock Z77 Extreme 4--Updating to Windows 10 64bit
    I have an older PC that I'm thinking of updating to Windows 10 64bit. It is home built (by me). I'd like to know if any Asrock z77 owners updated to Windows 10, and how I should proceed. I did not see an update on the BIOS page, but did see Win10 updates on Asrock's "Download" page.

    Currently, I have a wireless connection. I am using an old Buffalo USB wireless adapter (my network says it is a "BUFFALO WLI-UC-GNHP Wireless LAN Adapter"). I also use a wireless Logitech K350 keyboard and M510 mouse. Samsung C27F591 monitor. Radeon 7950 GPU. Intel 3570K cpu.

    Reading some stuff online, I'm a little concerned/confused. I'm not very PC literate, so I may screw up some terminology. I think my SATA controllers will need an update to work on Win10? How will that work when the drive that Win10 is installing is connected to those controllers? Same with my video and keyboard/mouse (both are essential). Wireless USB---will I have to disconnect everything and carry it into my living room (where my router is located)? It's about 30-40 feet away from my PC (or just buy a long Ethernet cable)?

    Reason I want to update is for better security since Win7 is no longer supported.

    I mainly use my PC for internet purposes, and I play games occasionally. I'm looking at getting a few modern games, so I'll probably update my GPU.
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    Wolfshadw August 03, 2006
    Probably have less headaches if you could temporarily use a wired keyboard and mouse for the install. One the install is complete, then you can "reconnect" your wireless ones.

    You generally don't need a BIOS update for an operating system update. You won't need to worry about your monitor, either.

    Install what drivers are available for your motherboard, GPU, and wireless card (probably a good idea to have these downloaded to a USB BEFORE you start the install).

    ASRock Z77 Extreme4 - Download Page
    AMD HD 7950 Driver Download Page
    Buffalo WLI-UC-GNHP - Driver Download Page

    -Wolf sends
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    madsriisager April 08, 2020
    Internal File Tranfer Bottlenecks
    Hello

    My problem is that I see low internal tranfer speeds between harddrives. The files vary in size, but they can be from 40 to 80 GB. The file transfers will start at maybe 170 MB/s, and then they slow down to 3-4 MB/s, sometimes 700 kb/s. And it seems to be one way sometimes. Like if I tranfer files from one disk to another it will have an average of 90 MB/s, but the other way around they will be at 3-4 MB/s.

    I know my system is old, but i don't see if that should be the cause of the bottle neck? My specs are:
    CPU: i5-3570K 3.4 Ghz
    RAM: 24 GB
    GPU: GTX 760
    Motherboard: MSI Z77 mpower
    Harddrives: ST8000AS0002
    OS harddrive: Samsung SSD

    What might be the cause of this bottleneck?
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    haseeb98ahm January 30, 2018
    one of your HDD might be heavily fragmented or near end if its usable life. Try defragmenting it. I would suggest formatting if possible. defragmenting puts excessive wear on drive and does't improves things that much.

    Also it's an archive drive intended for mostly reading files. other people reported poor write speeds because of overlapping tracks.
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    Kevin9809 March 11, 2020
    Upgrading CPU (i5 3570k), Mobo, RAM, etc.
    I was trying to hold out for AMD and/or Intel's next releases, but I think I may have to pull the trigger sooner rather than later due to some issues I'm running into with some newer games, especially if I attempt to stream games.

    I will need to upgrade my CPU, mobo, and ram, and purchase a new CPU cooler and PSU. I'm leaning towards AMD Ryzen lineup over Intel since I plan on streaming, but I'm all for buying the i9 9900k if people think that's a better decision from a gaming standpoint. If I go AMD, I was looking at the 3900x. Is that a smart buy, or should I save some $$$ and buy a step down (3800x or lower?).

    As mentioned above, my PC is primarily used for gaming and streaming. For reference, my current build is listed below. You can assume everything was purchased and built in July 2012 unless otherwise stated. I have included the upgrade questionnaire following my current build information.

    CURRENT BUILD:

    CPU:
    Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor

    Cooler:
    Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler - replaced the CPU fan in late 2018 due to failure

    Motherboard:
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard

    Memory:
    G.SKILL TridentX Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory - purchased in October 2016

    Hard Drive:
    Samsung 860 EVO 1TB 2.5 Inch SATA III Internal SSD - purchased in February 2019
    Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive - formatted but no longer used as I was worried the drive may have been failing prior to purchasing the SSD; will probably buy a cheap replacement at some point

    Video Card:
    GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 2070 WINDFORCE 8GB GDDR6 Video Card - purchased Jan 2019 (orig Nov 2018 - first 2070 card failed)

    Case:
    Cooler Master HAF 922 ATX Mid Tower Case - replaced the front and top 200mm fans due to rattling

    Power Supply:
    PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply

    Optical Drive:
    Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer

    Monitors:
    Acer Predator XB271HU bmiprz 27" WQHD (2560x1440) NVIDIA G-SYNC IPS Monitor - purchased in summer 2018
    HP VH240a 23.8" 1080p - purchased in summer 2019

    Operating System:
    Microsoft Windows 10 - purchased Windows 7 in 2012 and upgraded to Windows 10


    UPGRADE QUESTIONNAIRE:

    Approximate Purchase Date: ASAP

    Budget Range: No real limit, but I would prefer to keep the CPU under $500.

    System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Streaming, General Web Browsing

    Are you buying a monitor: No

    Parts to Upgrade: CPU, mobo, RAM, CPU cooler, PSU, thermal paste?, other, if necessary?

    Do you need to buy OS: No - I purchased Windows 7 (upgraded to Windows 10) with my original build.

    Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon.com, Newegg.com

    Location: Jacksonville, Florida, USA

    Parts Preferences: Leaning towards AMD Ryzen, but also like Intel

    Overclocking: I do noob-friendly overclocking lol

    SLI or Crossfire: No

    Your Monitor Resolution: 2560x1440

    Additional Comments: I currently play games such as Apex Legends and BF5. I want to play the new COD BR, but I get 100% CPU usage and crashing on my current build.

    And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My CPU is the last living relic in my build. It's time for me to stop pushing this upgrade off and get it done!
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    Kevin9809 June 30, 2012
    I think I have decided. Any final thoughts or opinions?

    CPU: Ryzen 7 3700x
    Mobo: Gigabyte X570 AORUS Elite
    RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3600
    PSU: Seasonic FOCUS GM-750
    Cooler: Dark Rock 4 (debating on this since I probably won't overclock right away)
    S
    SonicAngel March 08, 2020
    Looking for Approval for the upgrade parts I chose/ Have some questions about compatibility between MB and SSDs. (Gaming)
    Hello, I am an amateur to building PCs, but have done it twice in the past so not completely new to it either. I fumbled around with the partpicker yesterday and googling the details for each part and whether they are fully compatible has made my brain into mush, so here I am asking you, to review it just in case, before I order them.

    Why am I upgrading: current build was done in 2012, getting bit outdated for newer game releases. And more importantly: some issues with the PC restarting once some minutes after booting (irregular), then continues to run with no problems. I tried changing the RAM and GPU, didn't fix it. Since I dont have the knowledge or patience to learn and find the problem, I'll just throw my wallet at it and hope it's gone in the new build. (if it's still there, I'll know it's the SSD.)

    The rig will be used for gaming only. (No video editing/streaming) Mainly various MMORPGs which are known to be heavy on the CPU. My current i5 3570K can handle most stuff, but it gets pushed to its limits on occasions, not being able to handle stress situations.

    Overclocking: No, unless the CPU has a user-friendly interface to support it. I would rather avoid messing around and stress testing the CPU since I am not familiar with the process and do not want to experiment. Would rather invest in a slightly stronger CPU and let it run normally, for which I believe my current choice for i7-9700K is enough.

    Budget: I am not limited to cost, but staying within reason is preferable.

    I am going use some of my current components, and will upgrade some of them. Detailed list below:

    Full build on PCPartPicker.com

    CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
    MoBo: Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
    Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
    Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
    Crucial M4 128 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
    Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
    Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
    GPU: Asus GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB DUAL EVO OC Video Card
    Case: Fractal Design Define R3 Arctic White ATX Mid Tower Case
    PSU: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
    Monitor: Asus VP278QGL 27.0" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor


    Out of the above build, I have and want to re-use , the following:
    Asus VP278QGL 27.0" 1920x1080 Monitor
    Fractal Design Define R3 Case (Mine is "Black Pearl" version but couldnt find one on the site to link, looks the same)
    Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive SSD
    Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (mine is a 120mm fan version)

    The next 2 I have and I'd like to use , but if it's gonna create issues with the MoBo compatibility, or slow down the rig, can ditch them.
    Crucial M4 128 GB 2.5" SSD Currently running windows on it. My plan was to keep windows on it. I have a microsoft account and their site does say I can re-install my digital license to a new drive.
    Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM IHD. This I have barely used in the last 8 years since I made my current build. If it's compatible and doesnt block the performance of the rest, I'll add it. Really do not need it tho. Had used it only to store various torrent files (less than 100 gb).


    Local store links from where I currently plan to order the parts:

    Intel Core i7-9700K Prosessor
    Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000MHz 16GB
    Corsair RM650x 650W PSU
    ASUS GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER DUAL EVO V2
    ASUS ROG Strix Z390-F GAMING, S-1151
    Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB SSD (NVMe)

    Local store links if you want to change something: https://www.komplett.no/ , https://www.dustinhome.no/ , https://www.proshop.no/ , https://www.computersalg.no/ , https://kl.ink/index.php?route=common/home , https://www.multicom.no/


    So here are my questions about the build:

    1) Have I chosen the correct components on the shop site (listed above) compared to the build in the PartPicker I linked earlier in this post ?

    2) I have no experience with M.2 drives, watched some videos on the installation process, read up about it, overflooded with information, can't really say I understood much. Is the disk compatible with the MoBo I chose? In specifications it does say it has 2x M.2 Slots, just wanted to be sure I understood correctly.
    2.1) Last builds I have basically winged it when it comes to where to connect the 2.5" SSDs. Does it matter now that I will have a M.2? Do I need to look for specific PCI/SATA slots to avoid compromising performance?
    2.2) Since the M.2 drive is much faster on data read, will it matter if I have windows 10 running on the 2.5" 250/128 or should I install it on the M.2 for faster performance? If there is a difference, is it significant?


    TL;DR: I am looking for the green light from an expert's view on this build so I don't have to return/re-order the components. I am not savvy enough to squeeze the 110% of the build's potential, and I really don't need it for what I am going to use it for.

    Thanks in advance for your time spent on reviewing this post.
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    geofelt October 09, 2006
    You have an excellent build for your usage.

    Your type of games are very cpu centric so clock rate is all important.
    Today, there is nothing better in that respect than the i7-9700K.
    You do not need to overclock.
    But, with a good cooler, it is likely that you can get to 5.0 on all cores.
    A easy way to do that is to use the intel performance maximizer app.
    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-cpu-auto-overclock-performance-maximizer,6179.html

    Hyper212 is a popular cooler, but not good enough, I think for a top build like yours.
    I would spend $85 or so on a top air cooler like the noctua NH-D15.

    Your RTX2080super is a very good match.

    You can certainly use your various drives in a new build, they are compatible.
    But, with today's ssd prices being lower and a good budget, I would simplify things by using a single m.2 pcie device like the 1tb Samsung 970 evo plus.
    It is much easier to manage a single large C drive space.
    The performance and endurance will be better.
    If that starts to fill up, you can always add another drive later.
    Your motherboard manual will suggest the preferred m.2 slot, but it really should not matter.

    Re purpose the 1tb HDD in an external usb enclosure for backup.

    If you have a laptop, use the 850 to convert the HDD.

    2 x 8gb lpx is a good choice. The low profile will not impact an air cooler.
    You might find that speeds up to 3600 do not cost much more, but 3000 is fine.
    Intel is not overly sensitive to ram speeds.

    650w is fine, and the corsair unit is a good quality unit.
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    Aethenosity February 15, 2020
    Boot Problem, every after replacing EVERY component!
    So, my computer suddenly died, and then it wouldn't turn on again. The fans would spin, and I could hear the hard drives spin, but the cpu fan and one case fan would stop after starting for a second. Then it would shut down and try to start back up, repeating this until I held the power button or switched the psu off in the back.

    I tried starting with just one memory stick, no gpu, and no drives, just to see if I could get the "no bootable drive" error, but no go. It did the same thing.

    Then I thought maybe the cpu fan died. It was a stock one, and it was second-hand. I got a cheap replacement. No go

    I was worried my cpu died/I had been wanting to upgrade, so I got a new cpu/mobo/ram bundle. Didn't work. I then got a new psu. Still didn't work

    I also got a new case. It's pretty much a brand new computer, except with my old drives, although I have verified they work on another computer

    Still NO GO! Same exact problem. It lights up, some fans spin (not the cpu fan), and then it dies soon after.
    I'm pretty confused.

    One worry is that the cpu/mobo were killed when I tried it with the old psu.

    Original Computer:
    CPU: Intel i5-3570k
    Mobo: Gigabyte Z77-HD3
    Ram: G. Skill F3-1600C9D-16GSR
    PSU: Rosewill Capstone-750M
    GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070ti
    Drives: 1 SSD, 2 HDDs
    OS: Windows 10

    New Computer:
    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
    MOBO: ASRock X370 Killer
    Ram: G. Skill F4-3200C16D-16GVGB
    PSU: Corsair CX650M
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    Nemesia November 06, 2019
    Some motherboard with flashback bios function can let you flash the bios without having a CPU installed but your board doesn't have that but yes you need a new motherboard or a CPU that can let you boot to the BIOS.
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    eziowar July 13, 2020
    is it harmfull to run monitoring softwares all time?
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10, cabinet cooler master haf 912, cpu cooler-Hyper 212X

    hi i'm using msi afterburner and hwinfo to monitor my pc components' temp,fan speed, clock speed, voltage etc for 24/7. is it harmfull to run these monitoring softwares all time?
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    vMax August 07, 2006
    No not harmful at all...
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    ayazam July 08, 2020
    How does Ryzen overclock?
    so i have a r5 3500, 3.6Ghz base, 4.1Ghz boost (1.4v reported), 4.0Ghz allcore boost (1.31v reported)
    2400-ish multi R20, 450-ish single R20

    other specs:
    B450-A PRO MAX
    G.Skill SniperX 2x8GB 3600Mhz C19

    so now im doing a litlle manual overclocking on the BIOS,
    4.5Ghz allcore 1.3v, stable P95 (smallest FFT)
    get me a ~2900 multi R20 (5x run), and ~510 single R20 (2x run)

    what i want to ask, how to make the voltage fluctuate at how much usage it needs
    since this override voltage stays at 1.3v at any load [i have a little knowledge about ryzen oc-ing]
    example: i want low usage (10%) just using 0.5-0.7v, full load (100%) use 1.3v

    my previous build are i5 4670k 4.5Ghz 1.25v
    that multiplier stays 45x while the voltage fluctuate but maxed out 1.25v (c3 state enabled)
    can i do this with ryzen?
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    Phaaze88 December 30, 2016
    Best method: you don't. The cpu tunes itself better than you can.
    What works with Intel cpus is not as effective with these.

    Put a great cooler on it, pair it with dual channel 3600mhz CL16/17, and call it a day.
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    eziowar July 01, 2020
    Huge amount of ram usage is hidden from task manager
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10,
    2 days ago i clean installed windows10 . All my games and windows in the ssd. When i'm playing call of duty warzone without opening up any other things beside afterburner and hwmonitor, total14 gb ram is used though task manager showing COD WZ only taking 6gb of ram, and the 2nd highest ram eater process only taking about 40mb of ram. Is it normal? If its an issue then how do i fix it? Thanks in advance.
    View: https://i.imgur.com/diW1C3L.png

    these stats were taken when i was not running any game or anything. does it mean i dont have any noticable memory leakage right? windows just using memory for it's compression technology and my memory is all good?
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    eziowar June 11, 2015
    alright so i got rid of hyper-V and Microsoft defender application guard and my idle time ram usage is currently at 2.6GB, is it ok for windows 10 with 16GB total ram?
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    eziowar June 30, 2020
    is it ok to supply power to my both SSD and HDD using same single sata power cable from psu?
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10,
    is it ok to supply power to my both SSD and HDD using same single sata power cable from psu?
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    Barty1884 April 16, 2015
    Yes.
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    eziowar June 29, 2020
    is my cpu cooler hyper 212x not properly installed?
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10, cabinet cooler master haf 912, cpu cooler-Hyper 212X

    i installed my cpu cooler 3 years ago myself. my heat sink of cpu cooler hyper 212x can be rotated slightly clockwise or anticlockwise with enough pressure on the cpu, is this an issue or normal?
    it's been like this for past three years and i had no issue( atleast i haven't recognized any). but yesterday i ran into a memory issue, untill yesterday i used3x4gb rams sticks and bought 4th same model capacity part no ram and tried to insert in 4th slot and system didn't even passed the POST and in my mobo debug code showing screen showed debug code 15 which in the manual says is "Pre-Memory Northbridge Initialization.". and for that reason some people suggested i had faulty heatsink positioning which caused cpu socket pin bend etc and suggested me to reinstall cpu cooler. though i did not have to do those things at all and fixed the issue by some ram sticks and slots combination changes cause i had some stats difference between 2 pairs of rams though 2 rams in each pair had exact same stats(cpu-z shown 1 pair has ranks "dual" and another pair ranks "single" and there's some timing differences in them). u can see more about that here - https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/system-not-booting-after-using-4x-ram-slots-in-gigabyte-z87x-ud3h-mobo-though-all-rams-are-of-same-capacity-brand-speed-and-chips.3622741/
    even though i fixed that issue without touching cpu or its cooler, still i'm skeptic cause of 1 reason -
    Afaik system should run even with different model capacity ram sticks, mayb it wont enable dual channel and it will run in single channel but still system should boot and run completely fine. but for my case was those boot failure scenarios normal? can my cpu cooler's heatsink causing any issue? please help me out, any input is appreciated.
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    grimfox June 02, 2009
    A little rotation is not a major concern. It depends on the bracket holding the CPU in place.

    what can happen if you rotate the heatsink is that the paste will crack (if it's old and dried out) and that would have an effect on performance.

    The boot failures you saw are entirely normal for mixed ram scenarios. It is recommended to only buy matching kits and replace all ram with a new matched kit. IE upgrading from 2x4g to 2x8g rather than buying another set of 2x4g. And to really avoid adding single sticks. Even though the settings and timings are all the same there are differences between build lots that may cause two ram sticks with the same stats to have a really hard time working together.
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    eziowar June 29, 2020
    my brand new mx500 ssd giving very poor copy paste speed
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10,
    running UEFI and secure boot, MY SSD in GPT and NTFS but my HDD in MBR and NTFS, CSM is disabled.

    i just clean installed my win10 on my new crucial mx500 500gb ssd and did not create any partition in it.
    i was copy pasting total 55 movies with 80gb total size in mx500 sata ssd but it's giving only 150-250 MBps speed(most time <180MBps), is this normal? yeah i was copy pasting within same drive. at first the speed starts at 450-500MBps for few seconds then drops to 150-250 MBps.
    View: https://i.imgur.com/PNa2KLl.png
    below is in real world performance profile of CrystalDiskMark
    View: https://i.imgur.com/MEKSaKQ.png

    is this good?
    also i have connected both my HDD and SSD with single sata power cable from psu, is it ok?
    Also does really using momentum cache in crucial storage executive software improves speed? I still haven't used it yet.
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    USAFRet March 16, 2013
    Copy/paste within the same drive WILL show slower speed.
    It is doing both at the same time.
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    eziowar June 29, 2020
    Please help to set up some bios options related secure boot before clean installing windows 10
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10,
    i bought that ssd 2 days ago and i'm plaining to clean install my windos 10 on that, i'm gonna use uefi,fgt,csm disabled, secure boot enabled. spent last 2 days just solving several hardware/bios issues and gathering all types of info before installing win10 for precaution and proper bios settings. this is my first ever ssd, so i'm really hyped and became impatient a bit in last couple of days. this is my final needed info about secure boot before i can install my windows. in my bios u can see these are bios features-
    View: https://i.imgur.com/qGQnSF6.jpg
    u can see at first windows 8 features have 3 options- other os, win8, win8 WHQL. after searching through web i think win8 would be proper otion for that, am i right? now in secure boot View: https://i.imgur.com/GI5IKmY.jpg
    here's 2 options - standard and manual. when standard is selected , the "image execution policy " and "key management options " are grayed out . only after selecting manual in "secure boot mood" then i can click "image execution policy "and "key management options " .after selecting "image execution policy " u can see this window comes out View: https://i.imgur.com/MxnGlce.jpg
    . there all the 3 rows have deny execute, always execute etc option but first row "internal fv" has only always execute option. what should i select here for all 4 rows? Now when i select "key management options " this window comes out View: https://i.imgur.com/aJAvaQZ.jpg?1
    . here should i enable "default key provisioning" and then install all the keys available on that window? please help me out to choosing proper option to enable secure boot. btw should i enable secure boot before windows installation or after? any input is much appreciated.
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    Colif June 12, 2015
    WHQL would have been the right choice
    https://www.quora.com/What-is-Windows-10-s-WHQL-setting-on-the-BIOS

    As for secure boot, I would have left that as standard. They are greyed out as they are preset. Selecting manual lets you edit the values... its for people who know what they want to change. If you not sure, use Standard.

    As for enabling before install, I would once you ready to put win 10 on ssd, and when you go to install win 10, use the Boot override menu on the Save & exit screen in BIOS to choose the USB as boot device just that once. See page 62 - https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-z87x-ud3h_e.pdf - put ssd as 1st item in boot order

    Only have ssd in PC when you install on it. its less messy that way.
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    eziowar June 28, 2020
    Do i need to format new SSD before using it?
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10,
    Thats ssd is brand new and i wanna clean reinstall my windows 10 in it using Windows installation media pendrive. Do i need to format the SSD before using it? If so then how should i do it? Plz help me out, any input is much appreciated.
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    USAFRet March 16, 2013
    If you're installing the OS on it, you don't need to do anything prior.
    The installation handles all that.

    How To - How to do a CLEAN installation of Windows 10 Windows 10 Clean install tutorial This tutorial is intended to help you, step by step, to perform a clean install of Windows version 10, build 1709 or newer but can be equally applied to earlier installer versions which may simply lack some of the Cortana assisted settings screens but should... forums.tomshardware.com
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    eziowar June 28, 2020
    System not booting after using 4x ram slots in gigabyte z87x-ud3h mobo though all rams are of same capacity, brand, speed, and chips
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10,
    all my rams are of the same capacity, brand, speed, and chips. my 4th 4gb ram is brand new and when i installed it , my system is failing to boot even it cant enter bios, its just restarting continuously within 1-2 seconds and even it can't reach up to gigabyte logo screen and my monitor completely dark . in my motherboard memory slots are like this- View: https://i.imgur.com/LgvShRV.jpg

    i inserted the 4th ram in DDR3_1 slot. the wierd thing is even when i was using 3 ram sticks , i had to always keep DDR3_1 slot free for successful boot. for 3x ram configuration if i used DDR3_1 slot and any other 2 slots then that same boot failure issue happened. though if i used 2x or single ram configuration and used that DDR3_1 slot my system would boot fine and in 2x ram configuration i was getting dual channel mode when i was using slot DDR3_1 and DDR3_2. Another weird thing is when i was using 3x ram configuration and left DDR3_1 empty , CPU-Z was showing my ram is in dual channel mode. And yes i did loaded optimized defaults in bios before installing the ram. Clearing c_mos did not fix it either.On motherboard there's an 2 digit debug code showing screen and it's showing debug code 15 which in the manual says is "Pre-Memory Northbridge Initialization.". Also my system boots fine with that new ram in single ram configuration. please help me with this issue.
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    eziowar June 11, 2015
    ok i finally fixed the issue . hope others with same issue can solve their issue like me. from the beginning i was testing with different ram slot and ram stick combinations. even though my ram sticks were of same model , part no, capacity,frequency but still i saw some different boot success/failure results in different combinations as example once boot failed with 3 sticks though 2nd time after using those exact same ram slots and ram sticks but interchanging rams' positions made my system boot. so i checked cpu-z info of my rams , u can see them here-
    View: https://i.imgur.com/p2cKYxa.jpg

    View: https://i.imgur.com/JIxmkIN.jpg

    View: https://i.imgur.com/Y8xIuWP.jpg

    View: https://i.imgur.com/CDu35a7.jpg

    my every ram has different version no which i wrote on their corresponding images. You can see version4.19 and v8.16 have exact same stats where v4.29 and v5.20 have exact same stats though there's some stats differences between those 2 pairs specially v4.19 and v8.16 have ranks "dual" where v4.29 and v5.20 have ranks "single". not sure in cpu-z what those terms stand for, please tell me if anyone of you know about it. Anyway so i used same stats' pair sticks in same colored ram slots ( i.e. same colored slot pair is in dual channel) and my sytem finally boots with all 4 rams and in dual channel mode. but i still have few questions -
  • now it's sure that i dont have any faulty cpu socket pin or faulty heatink/cpu positioning or any faulty cpu/mother board right? they all fine right?
  • in cpu-z v4.19 and v8.16 have ranks "dual" where v4.29 and v5.20 have ranks "single". what's that actually mean?
  • Afaik system should run even with different model capacity ram sticks, mayb it wont enable dual channel and it will run in single channel but still system should boot and run completely fine. but for my case was those boot failure scenarios normal?
  • And thank you guys for all of your valuable inputs. Also please see this thread of mine- https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/can-my-cpu-coolers-metal-supports-wrong-positioning-causing-any-issue.3622921/
    Maybe it could be related to my issue?
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    eziowar June 27, 2020
    can i use my 1 tb hdd in mbr when my SSD which has windows is in GPT?
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd, WD 1TB sata internal hdd, AHCI,windows10,
    that ssd is brand new and i'm gonna clean reinstall windows 10 on that ssd with UEFI boot. until today i was using my 1 tb hdd also as system drive with windows. now i wanna keep all the data intact in that HDD but that HDD is in MBR. now i wanna make that new ssd as GPT. can i use those both GPT ssd and mbr hdd ? will there be any performance issue?
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    RealBeast September 13, 2010
    Yes, only the OS drive and drives larger than 2.2GB need to be GPT. No performance difference.
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    eziowar June 27, 2020
    should i use intel rapid start and rapid storage technology ?
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, MX 500 500gb ssd,windows10, cabinet cooler master haf 912, cpu cooler-Hyper 212X
    should i use intel rapid start and rapid storage technology ? will it give me any noticable performance boost?
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    popatim December 02, 2009
    https://www.win-raid.com/t362f23-Performance-of-the-Intel-RST-RSTe-AHCI-RAID-Drivers.html

    Look at the benchmark figures and notice even the basic MS ahci driver is quite speedy and usually beat the RST.
    I only install the rst driver for systems using intel motherbd raid which is also required for hdd acceleration.
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    herperfroggy June 16, 2020
    Is there a new GPU that will work with my current build?
    My graphics card is broken and I need a new one that will work with my current build. I live in Tennessee, USA. I prefer Nvidia gaming cards. I use newegg.com and amazon.com. I currently play The Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons & Dragons Online, and The Sims 4. I have a budget of $250.

    GPU: MSI GeForce N670 PE 2GD5/OC

    Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4

    Power Supply: Seasonic X650 Gold

    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X 1.35v 8GB F3-12800CL9D-8GBXM

    CPU: Intel Core i5-4670k

    Case: Cooler Master HAF XM RC-922XM-KKN1

    Monitor: ASUS VG248QE 1920x1080

    Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
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    logainofhades April 27, 2009
    With that budget, I would say a 1660 super is your best bet, unless you find a sale, on a 1660ti.
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    eziowar June 11, 2020
    will gigabyte Radeon™ RX 5600 XT GAMING OC 6G fit in my motherboard?
    hi, my cpu i5-4670k, gpu - zotac 1050ti mini, mobo- gigabyte z87x-ud3h, bios version F10b, psu corsair cs650m , ram 4x4gb @1600 mhz, windows10, cabinet cooler master haf 912,

    now i wanted to upgrade my gpu to gigabyte Radeonâ„¢ RX 5600 XT GAMING OC 6G . but i was wondering if it will fit to motherboard. cause in my uploaded picture- View: https://i.imgur.com/o946zNz.jpg
    u can see a heatsink of motherboard is too close to my gpu zotac 1050ti mini . please help me out.
    i cant decide if there's still place for larger gpu , cause of 2 reasons -
  • i dont know how much more lenth new gpu gonna have than my current gpu.
  • if the new gpu can go over the heatsink without touching it
  • think the new gpu deffinately gonna cross the heatsink, but can it go over the heatsink? how much free space new gpu gonna have between the gpu and motherboard after leaving pcie slot? i mean how high the gpu is from motherboard after pcie slot, is it as same as zotac 1050ti mini?
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    Slupfee July 23, 2020
    Is it possible to hit 4Ghz overclock on I5-6600k and not touch the voltage?
    Hello!

    Very new to overclocking, I've only been reading guides and tutorials out there and haven't done it myself because I am a bit scared if that's understandable lol.

    I was wondering if it was possible to hit 4.0 Ghz on stock voltage, and if I did theoretically try it, and it BSOD can I go back to bios and revert?

    (I am very new and don't really have that much prior knowledge.)

    EDIT:

    here are my pc specs.
    Cooler: Deepcool GAMMAX 400S Intel
    Motherboard: Z170-HD3P-CF
    Ram: G Skill Ripjaws v 8gb 2400mhz x2
    SSD/HDD: (I Don't know the specifics, but I have a 1 TB HDD and a samsung evo 250 GB SSD)
    GPU: GTX 1060 6GB
    PSU: Thermaltake Smart RGB 700w
    OS: Windows 10 Pro
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    Karadjgne December 26, 2012
    There's a phenomenon known generally as the Silicon Lottery. Basically every chip is unique, the silicon it's made from has different impurities in different levels than any other cpu. Because of that, every cpu responds slightly differently.

    My i7-3770K can hit 5GHz at 1.4v. Most cannot. You shouldn't have any issue hitting 4.0GHz or better, but there's no guarantee. There's nothing beyond stock turbo settings that is. Because of the Silicon Lottery. It's a pot luck thing. My i5-3570k would not remain stable at anything over 4.3GHz, and apart from hyperthreading, it's pretty much the exact same cpu as my i7-3770K. Big difference.

    4.0GHz, most likely. But no guarantee yes or no. It'll also depend on voltages and temps, they might require way more than you or the cpu is comfortable with.

    Only way to find out for sure is to try. But before you do, READ, READ, READ. Everything, everywhere you can on what OC is, what it's does, how to do it on your motherboard etc. The more you know about it, the better your chances of a successful OC, within its limits.
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    DengueFever July 22, 2020
    Recommended Upgrades?
    I am looking to upgrade my system sometime in the near future.
    Specs:
    • Intel i5 6600K 3.5GHz (OC 4.2Ghz)
    • ASUS R9 390 STRIX 8GB
    • ASUS Z170 Pro Gaming (MoBo)
    • KINGSTON HyperX Fury Black, 8GB DDR4 2133MHz (2X)
    • Samsung SSD 850 Evo 120GB
    • Cooler Corsair Hydro Series 105
    • Hard disk WD Blue 1TB SATA-III 7200 RPM 64MB
    • Case: Fractal Design Define S Black Window
    What would be great components for an upgrade? I'm looking for High-End, just not overkill (maybe a RTX 2080S?). I am open to any suggestions.

    Note: PC was built in 2015. Still running great, just that I have noticed there are better components on the market.
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    kanewolf May 29, 2013
    Sure, you can upgrade the graphics card. You might also think about a higher res monitor or a higher refresh monitor.
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    aah1357 July 19, 2020
    Transferred the OS drive from Intel to an AMD system. System posts, but Windows doesn't load on cold boot.
    Built a new system based on AMD 3950x (Asus Crosshair VIII Hero mobo). Transferred my old SSD (Samsung 850 Pro) to the new system (SATA # 1 slot). System posts on cold boot, but I have to restart the computer for Windows 10 (1903) to run (every time). Mobo code is "AA." Any thought why this is? Many Thanks.
    Old System was running on ASUS Maximus VIII Formula and Intel 6600K cpu .
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    DSzymborski November 19, 2010
    The next step would be to properly install Windows rather than cutting corners. Unless you have a very specific Windows to Go install, which you would know if you did (you have to choose to install such a thing and it's found mainly on Enterprise versions), Windows is not meant to be modular in this way. Windows 10 tries it best to find the drivers because Microsoft knows that people like to take the lazy way, but it frequently doesn't work at all or simply leaves vague performance issues for months.
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    Storm7511 July 13, 2020
    No Post if Ram is in Dual Channel
    Gigabyte Z170XP-Sli and Asus H270-Plus (for testing)
    Intel i5-6600k
    Gskill Ripjaws 2x8GB 2133Mhz
    Some 500W BeQuiet PSU (which is pretty old but was working just fine for high power draw under oc)

    So i'm really confused with this issue. Whenever i put my Ram in Dual Channel (1/3 ; 2/4) the pc does not even post. If in (1/2 ; 3/4) it works just fine. The weird thing is this setup worked in dual channel for like 2 years and suddenly after reseating the cpu for a cooler change it stops booting. Since then i reseated the cpu multiple times with no success. Then i noticed that my 2 lower USB Ports on the back of the Mobo stopped working more or less. Whenever i plug something in it disconnects and reconnects constantly until i pull the usb out. The other back USB also stop working under high usage, e.g. games and start dis/reconnecting. So i thought it was a mobo fault, but today i tried a brand new mobo with the exact same ram problem. I didn't have the time to check for the usb problem tho.

    What could even be making problems with the RAM und USB Ports? The CPU or PSU or something else entirely?
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    boju July 07, 2008
    It's because this was said. "suddenly after reseating the cpu for a cooler change it stops booting"

    That is why pins were suggested. Believe me, we have seen many posts about such problems. If you believe it's not pin related then it could be too much heatsink pressure.

    It's one or the two. Or there's something else you're not telling us. Have you done any cpu overclocking? With a program? To have too much vcore applied which OC programs tend to do and eventually killing the IMC. I was recently involved in such a thread.

    Post #17

    https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/yellow-dram-led-on-asus-motherboard-won’t-post.3624810/?view=date
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    Cobaltbass June 30, 2020
    Booting issues
    Hey so I have my computer with an
    I5 6600k
    Amd 5500xt
    24gb of ram

    basically this was my old pc I replaced the gpu with a lower end one To repurpose as a second computer for my girlfriend and this computer worked fine but was running slower than normal I went to update the drivers for the gpu figuring it’s the only new part so that’s got to be where the problem lies and after updating drivers the computer rebooted itself I can get to the bios but after that I lose my display the fans are not running on the gpu at all I tried moving my hdmi to my mobo to see if I could get anything but nothing better happens I’ve reset my bios and I know it’s not my psu because I use to have a 2070 in this rig prior
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    Cobaltbass June 30, 2020
    So I was able to get it into safe mode and from there I managed to load a backup and deleting the driver got the computer running again
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    eleet2112 June 23, 2020
    GPU died,need a replacement
    Hello everyone,

    my GPU died today, and I'am looking for a replacement.

    My PC specs:
    MB: Gigabyte Z170-D3H
    CPU: i5 6600k + CM Hyper 212X cooler
    RAM: DDR4 16GB 3000MHz G.skill ripjaw

    * important - PSU: Corsair TX650w : Would you recommend also replacing this, as it is already 8 years old?

    What would you get to be best paired with the rest, and would you actually upgrade the other parts as well? ( If it is a better option)

    My options are :

    2070 - around 590$
    2060 - around 440$
    5700 XT - around 540$

    Thanks
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    siaan312 June 15, 2017
    I would get the 2070, if it is only 50$ more than the 5700Xt. if you can also get the non xt and overclock it, should be almost as good as the xt, for around 440$ like the 2060 but beat it.

    And i wouldnt replace the psu, especially since you probably didnt stretch it to its limit alot.
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    rcrlmpgs June 16, 2020
    Upgrade: GPU or CPU? (RX 5700 XT or Ryzen 7 3700X)
    I'm currently running on an i5 6600K GTX 970 setup (16gbs of RAM of course). I can only upgrade one component at a time (due to budget constraints): either the CPU/MOBO combo or GPU. I'm currently eyeing out the Ryzen 7 3700X (paired with a decent B450) or Gigabyte RX 5700XT Gaming OC. Which should I upgrade first? I'm averaging 50-70 fps in Call of Duty Modern Warfare right now and I want to increase it to have better gameplay. I'm gaming on 1080p 165hz by the way, and I have no plans yet of migrating to 1440p gaming . Thank you!
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    Shektron May 31, 2017
    For that you'll need to check your GPU usage when playing games. If it's 100%, your FPS will NOT increase when you upgrade - it will only become more consistent and smooth. If it's less than 95%, which is unlikely given your CPU, it might increase, but by how much is difficult to tell - it'll just depend on how much the GPU can push out when running at 100% usage in that game, at those settings. If you want more FPS with your upgrade, and your GPU is currently at 100% usage, then you need to upgrade the GPU. Upgrading the CPU will not lead to a huge FPS increase, just smoothness of FPS and ability of the PC to multitask.
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    TheGamefreak484 June 07, 2020
    PC crashes while idle since removal GPU
    Recently my graphics card died so I removed it, and my PC crashes when idling ever since. I already had plenty of unexplainable crashes since I built the PC but I've never had my PC crash this consistent.

    I managed to fix the issue for a couple of days by performing a scan for corrupt files (sfc /scannow command), however my PC started crashing again, and there are no corrupt files to be found. All drivers are up-to-date.

    The screen looks like this when my PC has crashed: View: https://imgur.com/DrQFfoi


    I'd love to know what's causing this so I can hopefully fix it before I sell this PC. Plugging in a new GPU sounds like a logical solution but I feel like there's more to this (and I don't have another GPU handy). Any help?

    Rig:

    Intel Core i5-6600K Processor
    Asus Z170 PRO GAMING Motherboard
    Intel HD Graphics 530 (actual GPU was removed)
    Adata XPG Z1 AX4U2800W8G17-DRZ (2 x 8 Gb) RAM
    EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G2 (550 W) Power Supply
    WD Blue WD10EZEX (1 Tb) Harddrive
    Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler
    Samsung 850 EVO 120Gb SSD
    Windows 10 64bit

    There are two displays connected to my motherboard now.
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    scout_03 February 18, 2010
    do you have tis latest intel vga driver on and try to use only one monitor at the time on system https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z170-PRO-GAMING/HelpDesk_Download/
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    2laggy4you May 30, 2020
    Fresh Installation of Windows 10
    Hello, so I recently upgraded both my cpu and mobo from a i5 6600k and an msi b250m gaming pro to a ryzen 5 3600x and an msi mpg x570 gaming pro. I secure erased my ssd from the new bios to do a fresh install of windows 10, at first I used a 32 gb flash drive (brand new btw) and used the windows installation media to try and install from the usb. I booted from the usb and after several attempts of installing from the usb, I got nothing but errors each time during the installation. Many different errors such as, I didn't have the required files, memory management, or service exception occured while the installation was taking place. So I then put the iso file from the windows installation media onto the flash drive using rufus, but the same exact thing occured. When previously installing windows while I had the b250m gaming pro mobo, the usb installation didn't work, but when I tried installing from a dvd, it worked. So I tried the same with this mobo, but got the same errors that I previously got with the usb installation. I have ran a memory diagnostic test, nothing was wrong with my RAM, I tried to install windows on one of my empty hdd's instead of my ssd, I got the same errors as before, I have switched usb ports, same errors as before, and like I said, this flash drive is brand new. The bios for the mobo loads correctly, but I have not updated it because it is supposed to work right out the box with my cpu, so I don't know if that could affect it in any way, sata mode is in AHCI and under the windows os configuration tab, the mode is set to UEFI as recommended by msi and the boot mode is UEFI. I have no clue as to what to do at this point, what should I do?
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    Colif June 12, 2015
    Update the bios, just in case.
    BSOD during install could mean hardware fault.
    What memory diagnostic? Try running memtest86 on each of your ram sticks, one stick at a time, up to 4 passes. Only error count you want is 0, any higher could be cause of the BSOD. Remove/replace ram sticks with errors. Memtest is created as a bootable USB so that you don’t need windows to run it

    Is the ram on the motherboard listing?
    What is the serial numbers on the ram? Ryzen likes ram that is tested on board
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    Kriilus May 30, 2020
    Graphics card upgrade ...and cpu?
    Hlow every1, i'm looking to upgrade my graphics card to something able to run Cyberpunk 2077 at high settings at 1080p running smoothly.
    I've currently got:
    1060 6GB GPU
    i5 6600k CPU
    ASRock Z170 Gaming K4 MOBO
    16GB RAM
    650w p2
    I'm also not sure about how the cpu will handle everything and do you think that needs an upgrade too? and if so what would you guys recommend? Budget around £1500 and i'm from the UK.
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    RememberThe5th July 30, 2014
    Just wait for it. It may not need any hars requirments or it may need.
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    matacar May 30, 2020
    Is this PSU good for my build
    P lanning on buying a new gpu rx 580 8gb
    My specs: asus h110m-k d3
    intel i5 6600k
    geforce gtx 1050ti
    thermaltake litepower 550w
    ssd sandisk 250gb
    ram ddr3 1660mhz 2x4gb

    Is antec NE600G Zen good enough or do I focus on Seasonic GM 650 or Corsair TX650M
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    Juular March 14, 2020
    Just get cheapest of these, probably Seasonic if the price is the same.
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    Syphongreed May 30, 2020
    Speed test says ssd is faster than new pcie nvme
    I have an older 512gb evo 840 ssd, today i just installed a XPG gamix 5 gen3/4 nvme.

    Everything is running good, but AS SSD benchmark says my sata 3 ssd is running at 5000mb/s SEQ. R/W while my nvme is running at 2000mbs.

    System:
    I5 6600k
    Asus z270 tuff mark 2
    16gb ddr 4
    512gb ssd
    256gb nvme
    1tb hd
    Asus 1660 super.

    SSD is on sata port 3 and hdd is on sata port 4.
    NVME is in the port next to my 1660.
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    USAFRet March 16, 2013
    You have RAPID mode turned on for that drive.
    That ludicrous speed is reading your RAM, not the drive.
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    The un known May 29, 2020
    i5 6600K with an RTX 2060/2060 Super/ 2070. Bottleneck?
    Current system specs:

    Intel i5 6600K
    ASUS B150 Pro Gaming/AURA (I know i can't OC, board was just a really good deal when I bought it)
    GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
    G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB
    750W EVGA PSU

    I've been thinking about upgrading my PC because I've been feeling little lag spikes in games and upon doing some research, most sources say the i5 6600k is still a very competitive CPU so I think I'd like to upgrade my GPU. I'm thinking about getting an RTX card and depending on the prices I would like to go for a 2060, its super variant, or a 2070. Upon googling if my system will bottle neck, people are saying with the 2060 its less than an 8% bottleneck, but for the 2070 one website says its <10% bottleneck but another says 58%. Just wondering if you guys could give me some guidance here. Thanks!
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    GoultySoul June 23, 2020
    Will my motherboard support a new CPU?
    Hi!

    I want to buy an Intel I7 9700K CPU, but I don't have enough cash to buy a new MoBo. I have an Asus B250F Gaming MoBo with an I7 7600K, and I'm curious about, if I buy the CPU will the mobo can handle it? It has the 1151 socket so that isn't the problem. It has 16 GB DDR4 RAM, and an RTX 2070. I don't want to overheat it with the cpu.
    My question is, will my mobo survive the cpu for a couple of months (4-5) untill i get a new mobo?

    Thank You.
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    popatim December 02, 2009
    It will not work, Intel has changed what those 1151 pins do, re-ordered them basically.

    You pretty much have the best CPU your board supports,
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    ShamefulTilt June 19, 2020
    How to update bios with no cpu?
    A friend has offered to give me his i5 7600k but I would need a new motherboard for this cpu, been looking at a few cheap motherboards since I'm on a tight budget and the BioStar H110MDE seems like a good choice for everything that I need and very cheap.
    This and almost all other mobos I've looked at seem to need a bios update to be able to actually use the 7th gen chips since i think they shipped for 6th gen?
    I'm assuming it will be impossible to actually boot windows 10 without the bios update for the cpu so my question is if ill be able to fit the new mobo with the cpu or if ill actually need to update the bios before its possible to use the cpu and how i could go about this?
    also cant use a cd since my dvd drive isnt working.

    Thanks in advance.
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    popatim December 02, 2009
    Get the cheapest 6th gen celeron (G39xx) you can find or maybe you have a friend who will come over with a 6th gen. Any 6th gen should do. Plus there is a possibility that the 7th gen will work enough to update the bios. Most h110 boards received their update for 7th gen support in 2016 & 17 - so I suspect Biostar just patched a bug rather then added support.
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    Chris David June 14, 2020
    PSU Suggestions for a relatively powerful build.
    Hi

    I am about to get a 1650S for my main build, which runs on a CX650M. Which means my previous card, the 1060 will be used on my second build. The second build is just a series of components from my first build, getting pushed down as I get better components/upgrade.

    The second PC will be :

    Intel i5 7600K @3.80GHz (Will be OC'd)
    Gigabyte Z270X- Ultra Gaming
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 1x16 3000MHz
    Gigabyte NVIDIA GTX 1060 6GB Mini (Will be OC'd)
    2TB Barracuda 7200RPM
    CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO

    Keeping all these components in mind, would you suggest a decent PSU that is cheap ? I don't want to completely cheap out on the PSU as it ends badly, but at the same time, i am on a tight budget control, so anything decent would be enough. No need for any fancy Modular supplies, just something practical, cheap and gets the work done without blowing up or frying other components.
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    Rogue Leader December 22, 2014
    You already know the answer to this one. the Corsair CX550M is an excellent budget 550w unit. More than enough power, won't kill anything.

    Heck that could even probably run on a CX450M. No offense or anything but I'd hardly qualify that build as relatively powerful. But it is a decent midline gaming build.
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    Mar Allen June 08, 2020
    What are the best video card for AMD A8-7600K?
    I know A8 is already old, but it is still working, and I don't want to replace it yet. Any suggestions for a good video card for my CPU? I also have a 16GB of RAM. Thank you!
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    norcalsc February 09, 2018
    1050ti or rx 570
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    SteelBlood June 04, 2020
    Random crashes on multiple games
    Specs:
    Intel i5-7600k 3.8GHz CPU
    GeForce GTX 1050ti GPU
    MSI Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon (MS -7A63)
    16 GB DDR4 RAM
    Windows 10

    Around a week ago, I started having some major issues. I was getting BSODs and my games were crashing. At this time, I was on windows 7.

    I updated to Windows 10 in an effort to fix the issues. I was still having issues, so I did the reset install with the option to keep my files. I did a fresh install of my GPU driver next. I have done the /scannow command, scanned for virus (AVG Free), checked my CPU/GPU temperature, tried an older GPU driver, and while I dont crash nearly as much, I still crash often or rarely get a BSOD and it is driving me crazy.

    Some of the BSOD errors I've gotten throughout this whole process:
    KERNEL_SECURITY_CHECK_FAILURE
    DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
    SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION
    and one about nvlddmkm.sys failing.

    I know most of these relate to the GPU drivers, at least from what google tells me.

    If anyone can help, please save my sanity. I lost a fair bit of info in the reset installation (didn't have enough room for backup).
    S
    Shektron May 31, 2017
    Okay, besides GPU drivers, have you tried updating motherboard drivers? Here is the link for the same : https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z270-GAMING-PRO-CARBON#down-driver

    Also try updating your BIOS, though this issue does seem driver or windows-related, still better to rule out all possibilities of software problems before moving to hardware problems.
    K
    KeeRub June 01, 2020
    Power shortage or overclocking damage ?
    Hey,
    so i have had my PC since mid 2018 and i have this problem where if i play a game i can only play for about 20min then my PC would start to make a really loud fan noise and i cant see anything on my screen but i can hear the game sound and i would have to hard restart it.
    when i first got it i tried to overclock it but it started major problems so i reverted it. maybe my hardware is corrupted now because of the overclocking i really dont know if it's even related to that, or if it's a cooling issue or if my computer is not getting enough power.

    SPECS:
    CPU: intel core i5 7600k LGA 1151
    GPU: Geforce GTX 1070
    Motherboard: MSI z270 m3
    RAM: Vengeance corsair 16gb DDR4
    Power supply: Cool max 120mm 600watts
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    haxbox October 16, 2013
    That's totally normal, all CPU heatsinks are PWM, they automatically adjust fan speeds according to CPU average temperature. I suggest if you have a spare PSU, try it out.

    Typically I suggest good quality PSU's because they avoid complications, try at least Bronze 80+ category. I personally suggest 80+ Gold if your budget allows it. But, in this case the PSU may not be the issue.

    You can start by the basics, make sure the GPU and CPU heatsinks are free from layers of dust, a little dust is tolerable, but serious ventilation issues may be the cause of blackouts/shutdowns. I also suggest applying fresh thermal paste on your CPU heatsink. You would need a thermal compound like MX-4, Don't remove your cpu from the Socket, use isopropyl or any kind of alcohol and some cotton or papertowel and remove the old dried up thermal paste, apply just a drop of new one, re-install the heatsink back to the motherboard.

    Secondly, reset bios to default. Turn off your pc, unplug the power cord, find a two-pin jumper which varies from board, ususally labeled as CLR_CMOS or CLRTC, short it out for a second with a metallic object/screwdriver.
    Alternative method is;
    Turn off your PC, unplug the power cord, eject the CR2023 battery, a shiny coin-shaped battery found int the motherboard, and short the pins with a screwdriver.

    Update your BIOS to the latest version, make sure your GPU drivers are up-to-date.
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    Arnut May 14, 2020
    Can I use an H100X AIO Water cooler in the H510 Elite case
    Hi, Im thinking of buying the H510 Elite case, but there's still one thing that I dont know for sure.
    Does the H100X cooler fit in the front? And If it will get enough air to efficiently cool my i5 7600k...
    (if these are dumb questions it's because im pretty new to custom pc builds sorry!)
    Thanks!!
    J
    jeremyj_83 August 23, 2017
    That AIO will fit into the H510 Elite case, but you will have to remove the front fans. Personally I have never been a fan of a front mounted radiator, but it does work.
    B
    Bruv :) May 14, 2020
    What Intel CPU should I get with my motherboard? Or should I change to AMD?
    Motherboard - Maximus VIII Gene (Flashed BIOS)
    CPU - i3 6100 OC to 4.2ghz
    GPU - RX 5600xt Sapphire Pulse
    RAM - 4x4gb Ballistix OC to 2666mhz
    CPU Cooler - ARCTIC Alpine 12
    PSU - Corsair CX Series 550 Watt 80 Plus Bronze
    Monitor - Acer 3440 x 1440 100Hz

    My motherboard is a Maximus VIII Gene and the highest 1151 cpu it supports is the i7 7700k. Now as you can see I have a i3 6100 paired with a RX 5600 XT. The bottle neck is around 40% and I need a cpu upgrade soon. If you are wondering why the hell I have a Maximus VIII Gene paired with a i3 6100 in the first place is because I got the motherboard for free. I recently got the RX 5600XT because my old 1050ti was the bottleneck. Now my CPU is the bottleneck and need a upgrade. So the question is, I have a budget of around $200 and looking to buy a CPU used or new. Either the i5 7600k, i7-6700k, and the i7 7700k. The i5 7600k is around $200 - $230, the i7 6700k is around $260 - $300, and i7 7700k is around $330 - $400. Is the $100 - $200 difference worth it. Would it make a huge difference if I wont be able to overclock any of them that much because of my current cpu cooler, should I just change my motherboard completely maybe to AMD or wait for Zen 3 or what should I do because I'm kind of stuck. I'm not certain what path I should take, any suggestions are appreciated, thanks. (Budget is $200 but willing to pay up to $400 if the difference is worth it).
    S
    siaan312 June 15, 2017
    The i7 7700k is equal to the ryzen 3 3300X in performance.

    I would suggest swapping to that chip, not because its faster, but because it, with a b550 board has a MUCH better upgrade path.
    It will also cost the same.
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    Vagician April 27, 2020
    New ryzen build
    So I upgraded my 7600k to 2600x and it's been good until I noticed I get bad frezzes where I can move my mouse but I can't click on anything.


    Cpu: 2600x
    Gpu:1070 ti
    Ram 16gb 2400mhz
    Running off a SSD
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    Vagician April 30, 2016
    I had to change my oc to 2666Mhz because the 3000mhz made my bios not detect my mouse or keyboard and it told me it couldn't boot. Anyways I fixed the freezing problem by putting the power setting on ultimate performance instead of the ryzen balanced settings.
    K
    killerlukosker April 09, 2020
    Black Ops 3, Crashing On startup
    I've bought this game last year and i had so many problems trying to launch i havent touched it until now. As i cant get my refund anymore i at least want this game working.

    TLDR: No troubleshoot has worked, Game dosent launch.

    I have tried all troubleshooting methods and i still get the same problem where i start the game, it tells me "Game failed launching, would you like to boot into safe mode". After that the message either disappears on its own or it does nothing.

    So far ive tried:
    Putting the whole BO3 folder into antivirus exception list
    Booting in Clean Boot
    Verifying game (x14)
    Reinstalling the game on 2 different hard drives(x4)

    I havent booted the game a single time successfully. I do not have a config file within my BO3 folder. The furthest ive gotten is to see the first 2 seconds of the startup cutscene before it crashes.

    I do not have any Razer applications, I do not use NZXT Cam. I have even tried it on 2 different systems. I had this game before i upgraded my PC and it still didnt work then.

    My Current specs:
    Ryzen 5 3600
    2060 Super 8GB
    16GB 3200mhz Ram
    2 Monitors
    Corsair Strafe Keyboard
    Avira Antivirus Software

    My Specs before the upgrade:
    I5 7600k
    1050ti 4GB
    16GB 2400mhz Ram
    2 monitors
    Corsair Strafe
    Avira Antivirus

    And before you say anything, Yes i have researched on google and they are all from 2017 and none of them have helped me. Ive been through at least 30 threads and all of them are solved by Antivirus issues or Razor Incompatibilities.

    I have currently uninstalled the game as i don't want to waste 100gb of HDD space on nothing. If anyone can help me play this game it would make this quarantine go by much faster. I own this game on Steam if that helps.
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    killerlukosker April 09, 2020
    After constant troubleshooting today i found out these issues.

    After upgrading my PC and reinstalling windows, it seemed to fix the issues i had with my old system. However the main issue was my Actual Multiple Monitor Software that i had always running because i like the features it has. Disabling this software allowed me to actually boot the game. After some more testing i realised that it was not me owning 2 monitors but the software itself was the issue.

    I can now play BO3 with both monitors active while the Actual Multiple Monitors software is disabled.

    Still what bothers me though, was that i booted in clean boot mode and the software was disabled but still it gave me the same results. Maybe a normal boot with that software disabled is what did the trick, but that was the main issue all along.

    Thank you to nobody who helped me, I hope others can find this useful.
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    tyskeren April 08, 2020
    CPU for SLI
    Hello

    I currently own an i5-7600k and a GTX 1080 ROG Strix

    but in my boredom I’ve gone ahead and bought another GTX 1080 Strix for SLI use (Got a very good deal)
    Now what I am interested in is, will my CPU bottleneck the SLI config (I assume it will) so more importantly, if I am to upgrade my CPU should I the aim for an i7 or is a newer i5, such as the i5-9600k enough? Or would it be better to go with a Ryzen 7 3700x instead of the i5?

    Mainly gaming on a 32 inch 1440p display

    Any input is appreciated
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    Rogue Leader December 22, 2014
    SLI has its downsides but games running slower isn't one of them. Lack of support and microstutter are the main issues. The expectation of double performance is the disappointment for most, since the additional card only adds like 50% better performance on average.

    OP I wouldn't necessarily go out and buy a new motherboard and CPU for this (you really have no upgrade path with your current board except a 7700k which is not worth it), you will be disappointed. It should handle most games at higher resolution (1440p +) fine, the 7600k still has 4 pretty quick cores.
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    BobMcSmith April 08, 2020
    CPU maxing out in games at low settings
    Hello!
    I have posted other similar threads, but I believe I have finally isolated the problem. Whenever I go to play games such as MW Warzone or even Fortnite, my CPU runs at 100%, compared to my GPU which only runs at 10%-30%. I have all of the settings turned down to low, and can't seem to solve it. I have a couple theories that are probably wrong, but it can't hurt to ask. Is the MOBO chipset limiting the CPU? Is there some kind of update or compatibility I need? Or is it just that the CPU is simply not as good as the GPU?

    i5-7600k
    Asus H170 pro gaming
    16gb DDR4 Mushkin Enhanced
    MSI GTX 1060 6gb
    500GB HP EX920

    Thanks!
    S
    sizzling October 18, 2006
    There is nothing wrong. COD MW decimates quad core quad thread CPU’s. That game can use 12 threads. Quad thread CPU’s are struggling these days. Most game settings don’t impact cpu usage, what does impact cpu usage is the FPS. By lowering the game settings all you do is utilise the gpu less as your max FPS which is already capped by your cpu.
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    FlareTech March 28, 2020
    New MOBO for 7600k HELP!
    Hello all! I've been wanting to upgrade my PC for quite some time now, but it'll have to wait and the first thing I wanted to do was SCALE DOWN. I currently have this huge case and wanted to get into the Fractal Design Core 1100 so I can keep my drive bays and my PSU, but would like a new small form factor motherboard that can allow me to still boost clock my CPU. I have tried searching but since its an older chipset I haven't been able to find anything. I do not mind using eBay and trusted sellers! I would really like the motherboard to be under $100, even under $80 if possible. I only have two sticks of RAM and I can just buy a WIFI card, so no biggie on anything like that but if it's included, the better. Please help! Thanks!
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    Azzopardi July 19, 2020
    PC didn't switch on,
    After doing the yearly cleanup PC didn't switch on, rooted the problem to the cpu. Took PC apart, cpu seems suspicious. All parts approx 2 years old, no overclock, cpu - i5 8600k. Image here - https://ibb.co/41wrndQ
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    ex_bubblehead August 24, 2012
    The 4 pads immediately to the left of center are definitely burned. Some serious arcing occurred there. Check the corresponding pins in the socket and you'll likely see damage there as well. You can try to clean this but it's likely a writeoff for both.
    M
    Masterchiefxx17 May 10, 2020
    Gigabyte RTX 2080 TI Fans Ramping Up and Down
    Hello,

    Recently my Gigabyte Aorus RTX 2080 Ti Xtreme 11G graphics card has been experiencing an issue where the fans will ramp (while gaming) up to 4000+ RPM as the GPU temperature reaches 85c degrees and then as the GPU drops to 84c degrees, the fans instantly drop to ~2000 RPM. As such, the fans go into this endless cycle of up, down, up, down. With that an increase in extreme noise.

    Seen here ( View: https://imgur.com/a/hQUkqio
    ) in the software, you can see what is happening along with the GPU's current settings for power. The fans are in this up, down cycle while the GPU temperature remains essentially constant and, as expected, so should the fan. I've attempted to clean reinstall the Aorus software in case it was a bug in the Auto fan curve, but the problem remains. Further troubleshooting included setting the fan speed to a Manual setting of 100% and creating a custom fan curve, but each time the GPU ramps the fans to 4000+ RPM the moment it hits 85c degrees. Regardless of the setting. The problem continues on stock settings as well.

    The case is properly cooled in a Corsair Crystal 680X case with three LL120 intake fans in the front, two at the top acting as exhaust, one in the rear also acting as exhaust, and finally two Noctua fans positioned at the bottom; again, acting as exhaust. All are 120mm. The rear compartment is cooled by a Noctua slim 92mm fan. The graphics card sits vertically in the case.

    My problem was first discovered a few weeks ago, but no major system changes were made then. In attempt to help resolve the issue and rule out the Aorus software having a bug, a full clean reinstall of Windows 10 was performed a week ago. The software has been reinstalled.

    Other specifications of the system include a Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 5 motherboard, i5-8600K CPU, 16GB 2666MHz RAM, and a 750W Platinum SeaSonic PSU.

    This problem just recently started to happen and I am not sure what caused it. Any assistance or thoughts on what to help here would be appreciated.
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    Phaaze88 December 30, 2016
    Yeah, do it when you have time. The reason being:
    Horizontal gpu[pretend the bottom fans in the next image are intake]
    View: https://imgur.com/VWAjFyi


    That same image with those bottom exhausts still there:
    View: https://imgur.com/MUtJNa7


    Vertical gpu, bottom intake, air stagnates:
    View: https://imgur.com/zSlMr5V


    Vertical gpu, bottom exhaust:
    View: https://imgur.com/fmm5u6u
    S
    Spencer_Scholles May 10, 2020
    Upgrade from i5 8400 to 8600k?
    Okay so I am going to upgrade my gpu from a gtx 1060 3gb to an EVGA rtx 2060 KO. I currently have an i5 8400 and I want to know if it will bottleneck. If so, should I upgrade to the 9600k?
    S
    SkyNetRising January 04, 2016
    Not worth it. It's same 6core/6thread cpu, just with slightly higher clocks.
    Consider upgrading to i7 instead - either i7-8700 or i7-9700.
    N
    Nosesignal May 05, 2020
    No signal suddenly, loses signal intermittently
    TLDR: No signal on boot but win7 boots up normally. If boots with display, loses signal randomly with 'display driver blabla has crashed and successfully recovered.' in event log. Do read the whole story below

    Long diary/backstory:
    Spoiler: Detailed happenings Hi, my pc has been working fine for 2 years but on 24th mar 2020, booted my pc with no signal. Fans running, booted to desktop(can hear the music) but monitor no signal. Let me label this as ' disease 1'.

    Few days later after trying many things, it suddenly can display signal. However, while I was playing path of exile my display crashed and no signal: . My game crashed but my windows music player is still playing while my display has no signal and pc fans spin like crazy: Disease 2. Pc unable to display signal on boot again: Disease 1. After trying many things for 5 mins it was still futile. 55 mins later, pc able to boot again with signal.

    Checked window event logs, noticed ' display driver (nkdvm or something) has stopped responding and has successfully recovered.'

    DDU uninstall my current gpu driver, installed latest driver but disease 2 still persists intermittently over the next few days.

    once, System was also free of disease 1 and 2 for about a week.

    When disease 2 happens which leads to disease 1(no signal on boot), seems to be healthy if i wait for about an hour before booting.

    Sometimes it display no signal while booting up, sometimes it happens few sec after the desktop appears. Few times it happens while i only have the browser on.

    But from last week onwards, been stuck with disease 1. List of things that i tried:
    Reseat ram, boot w/ 1 ram, change ram slot, brushed contacts
    Clear cmos, tried booting without cmos(cmos not smooth and shiny)
    Reseat gpu, brushed contacts.
    Reseat cpu, thermal paste still wet. No visual prob
    Uninstalled and updated gpu driver
    Took out mobo, carefully cleaned it with a brush ( wasn't very dusty)
    Onboard graphics didnt work
    Tried 3 diff hdmi, 1x dvi d dual link cable
    Tried unplugging monitor power cable while connected to the wall socket and holding the monitor power button for 1min
    Breadboard mobo with 1 ram,cpu and cpu fan, psu (pc case pretty old so i tried this)
    Tried holding onto pc power button for a min
    Tested psu with multimeter while not under load: all within approved volts


    Things that I haven't tried:
    Diff monitor
    Diff gpu( doesnt work with onboard though)
    Diff mobo/cpu
    Diff psu

    Sys spec

    Psu. Corsair mwe 550w gold

    Gpu. palit geforce Gtx 1070

    Mobo. Gigabyte z370p d3 rev 1

    Cpu. Intel Core i5-8600K 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor

    Ssd1. 1tb samsung 860 evo
    Ssd2. 250gb samsung 850 evo

    Ram. Ddr 4 2x 8gb 2933mhz corsair vengeance lpx

    Monitor. Acer GN246HL 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor

    Os: win7

    Date of built. Around 2018 october, ram and monitor upgraded from 2019 onwards.

    Possible cause:
    2018 oct, during installation of cpu, circuit breaker tripped (pc was plugged but off for me to touch the metal case to discharge wateva static electricity i have)

    Sometime around 2018-2019, conventional oven tripped my circuit breaker while pc on

    Early march 2020, lightning strike my hdb flat and tripped my circuit breaker while i was using my pc. (I heard lightning strike may damage the pc component but effect is not instantaneous)

    Random knocks onto pc case during the 2 years( pc desktop case on the floor, knocks are rare and not powerful)

    Pls help and suggest any solution

    Should i buy a new mobo,psu or even cpu? Cant really tell which one is the problem
    If i were to buy a new mobo and psu but the culprit is cpu, will the cpu damage my mobo/psu? I heard the probability of dmg is very slim but i would like to double confirm

    Will a corrupted system cause this? Im unable to get signal even when breadboarded without ssd connected
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    Vic 40 October 22, 2013
    But with igp it displays fine? Then likely that the gpu got problems too. Can look at how the next guy cleans pcparts. Maybe cleaning the gpu like that will help, but have litle hope if it was really a shock that made it die.

    The Tech YES Lovin' Process in 2019 - (Build a Used PC Faster than ever) Tech YES City Geverifieerd • 14K weergaven Nieuw
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    Captinbushy April 23, 2020
    Is this worth it 1080ti with i7 8700k for 1000?
    Good morning,
    Just putting a feeler out there to get some opinions on if I should buy this PC off someone or just build my own and spend a little more with newer tech given there are newer things coming out. I play a lot of games in 4k currently on a 1070ti with an I5-8600k. The link below is the parts that they listed were in there to the best of my ability.

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tpnrn7
    K
    King_V November 01, 2014
    It is NOT a $2500 build new. The GPU and CPU are vastly overpriced on the PC Part Picker list because hardly anybody is selling them new anymore. Those are "ooh, hey, look, I have a rare, hard to find item" price, and I would be VERY surprised if those weren't 3rd party sellers.

    The launch price of the i7-8700K was $359. 2 years ago, that video card was under $800 new. That doesn't count the fact that the 5700XT which matches its performance, and the 2070 Super, 2080, and 2080 Super all outperform it, and are all available within the $400-$800 range.


    A used PC comes with no warranty. The best way to tell if this is worth it, is to see if you can put together something with current generation components, but that performs about the same, for less, for the same price, or even for a little more. That little more would still be worth it because everything is new with warranty, rather than used.
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    Roopjeet singh1 April 03, 2020
    Msi rx 470 gaming x overheating to shutdown
    Hi i recently build a PC with a few components from used market and some new
    i5 8600k (used)
    16gb ram (used )
    Asus rog B360H gaming mobo(used)
    Evga 550 watt power supply (new)
    And i had a Rx 470 msi gaming x 4gb from my last build
    The case is corsair 275R gaming with 3 fans
    When ever i play a game the pc shutdowns down and the gpu temps reach 90C+ ,
    What can i do
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    tennis2 November 12, 2018
    Probably needs to have the cooler removed, thermal pasted removed and re-applied from the GPU.

    Additionally you can reduce power by manual voltage tuning.

    My MSI RX480 Gaming X is running [email protected] right now at a slightly reduced 1235MHz and pulling 85W. 66C @ 17% fans.
    S
    Shane4777 April 01, 2020
    Adding Ram to motherboard
    So as my title says I'm looking to add ram to my motherboard. I'm not to knowledgeable on adding and I cant find a clear answer as to whether or not it's ok to add ram. Only information I did find was when upgrading you want to get a new motherboard. I'm not upgrading or rather I dont need to, I plan to use the existing 2 4gb sticks I have and add 2 more of the same kind. So I'm unsure if I can just add the 2 and itll be fine or if I need a new motherboard to add more.

    If you need it my motherboard is a MSI Z307 gaming plus and my cpu is an i5-8600k.
    J
    jay32267 March 16, 2017
    If you get a 16 GB set with the correct specs for your current MB of course you can use them with your current MB.
    That would be the most ideal case.
    However I think there is a good chance two sticks with matching specs to your current specs will work. Most of the time I do this it works.
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    OuaisLeCouz March 16, 2020
    stuttering only in fortnite with rtx 2070 super
    hi guys, so basically everything is in the title...
    I can't play fortnite on a rtx 2070 s, what a shame.
    my games stutters and i never have more than 100 fps
    specs : rtx 2070 super
    cpu : i5-8600k
    16go ram

    i can play cod mw on 144 fps ultra, but not fortnite.

    the problem happened when i tried the nvidia inspector method to reduce input lag in game.
    after that, my game started to stutters and i can't play it anymore.
    the temperatures are fine, i tried to reinstall drivers with ddu and ect..
    but nothing worked.
    can someone please help me ? ((
    K
    KX_FWLR January 30, 2020
    My computer won’t boot when my cooler is attached
    Computer won’t boot with cpu cooler on... So this started one night I was playing rocket league and my computer just shut off, then I turned it back on and no post. I trued a couple times still nothing. I figured it might be the power supply bugged out so I bought a new one... not the proble, I then reset the cmos, still nothing. But I have been ignoring the cpu light that shows up when there is a problem with the cpu(i5 8600k)so I took the cooler off ( cooler master 212 evo) and reseated the cpu and re applied thermal paste tried booting without the cooler on first and it worked! There was a post, problem solved right? No.... then I put the cooler back on thinking everything was good, no post. Took cooler off it posted again. The computer only boots with no cooler on the cpu. I’ve never heard of this any ideas?
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    kerberos_20 December 24, 2011
    sounds like too much pressure on cpu, u may check for bent pins on mobo, and use less force when u screw cooler
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    ziptol January 25, 2020
    Computer takes a long time on post screen before booting or loading the BIOS
    Hi,
    I recently began having issues with my computer startup. I have to wait 1 min+ between the time that the Post screen appears (Asus ROG, press del or f2...) and when the computer either enters the BIOS (when I want to go into the BIOS) or boots to windows. Any suggestions or further troubleshooting ideas would be greatly appreciated.

    Background:
    A couple days ago I started having issues with windows startup, and after a bunch of troubleshooting and attempts to restore Windows 10 boot, I ended up reinstalling Windows. I may have thought that the issue I am having currently was an issue with Windows, and if so, this problem began randomly after a routine restart. Before this issue my PC went from power button press to windows login in about 5-10 secs.

    Info:
    • My boot drive is first in the boot priorities.
    • I have checked all of the connections inside my desktop.
    • Specs:
      • Intel i5 8600k @4.6GHz
      • ROG STRIX Z370-I Gaming
        • BIOS Version: American Megatrends Inc. 1002 (7/2/2018)
        • SMBIOS Version: 3.0
      • MSI Duke GTX 1080
      • 16GB Team Vulcan RAM
      • Kingston SA400S37 120G (Boot drive)
      • ST3000DM001-1CH166 (2TB secondary drive)
    Thanks All!
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    SparkyTech934 January 22, 2020
    Hi,

    I'd be more than happy to try and help you figure this out some more. So, does your motherboard by chance have any digital codes when it is initially POSTing? They would either be on the motherboard physically, or on the ASUS splash screen in a bottom corner probably. If so, look to see if there is a code that is taking a while to get past during the 1+ minute standby period. If you see it getting hung up on a specific POST step, you can look in your motherboard's manual to see what the code means.

    Secondly, you could try to remove every single HDD/SSD except the boot drive and see if that helps the boot time at all.

    Let me know if you have any success. Hope this helps
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    omegaglory1 January 24, 2020
    Windows 10 not booting, goes to "Preparing Automatic Repair"
    Hi all, I'm having the above issue. After fitting some new fans (Silent wings) and connecting a new monitor (Dell), I went to start up my desktop only to get the "Preparing automatic repair" screen which shortly leads to the blue screen wth "Your PC did not start correctly."

    In the bios, my hard drive is still visible under SATA information. I checked the connectors to the hard drive to make sure it wasn't as simple as that. CPU temperature is fine. My intital thought was that the motherboard couldn't handle the new fans and this somehow caused an electrical fault. The fans are: two PWM 120mm fans connected to CPU header via a splitter (0.37A each), one 3 pin 120mm case fan (0.12A), one 3 pin 140mm case fan (0.5A). However, am I right in saying headers should manage up to 1A without issue?

    At one point, the PC did turn off on its own, this was prior to getting those dreaded screens first appearing. I'm not sure if the turning off was an electrical/fan issue or if the PSU simply came loose at one point, but thought I should mention it.

    I performed a windows 10 update several days ago, without any issue at the time.

    Right now, I'm able to reach Advanced options, however I'm unsure how to proceed. My options include doing a system restore point or booting up from a system image back up. The system restore option is giving me the choice of rolling back to a point 2 days prior to this happening. As for system image backup, I have a recent back up made on an external drive and repair disc.

    What is the correct way to proceed? I was really tempted to go for the first option, having a point only 2 days ago seems ideal but held back as I've no idea if this will screw me over! Any help is really appreciated.

    Current build:

    Asus TUF H370 pro board
    i5-8600k cpu
    16GB DDR4 RAM
    Asus R9-290x graphics card
    Neptune 240 cooler
    Corsair TX650 psu

    The cpu is not overclocked, it was chosen over the regular version because it was actually cheaper.
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    onespeedbiker April 13, 2019
    I'm still thinking about you simply adding/ upgrading some case fans and suddenly your PC won't boot. Assuming everything was running fine before the new fans, it doesn't seem logical that you hdd is now going bad. You also said you plugged in a new monitor. Did you also get a new/different graphics card? Even if not, if you are using a plug in discrete graphics card, you might want to reseat the card, as you might have loosened it changing monitors.
    S
    samprinsen January 23, 2020
    Not sure what component(s) to upgrade
    Hi,

    I mainly play VR games, Racing sims and FPS games and im looking to upgrade my rig (mainly for my Valve Index performance). I game on 1440p 144hz and on my Valve index VR headset.

    my rig:
    -i5 8600k @4.8Ghz
    -RTX 2070S
    -2x 8GB Gskill Ripjaws V Ram
    -ASrock Z370 Extreme 4

    My GPU is the lowest priority in terms of upgrading, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on what could improve my gaming performance!
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    Wolfshadw August 03, 2006
    I don't see that your system actually needs an upgrade and any upgrade you do (IMO) would not be worth the cost.

    -Wolf sends
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    Redzik January 18, 2020
    PC doesn't turn on unless I switch PSU back and forth few times
    So recently my PC doesn't want to turn on after pressing power button, no moving fans absolute silence. I haven't switched any components recently, checked the motherboard and I can't see nor feel any swollen parts.
    Also checked frontpanel and other basic stuff. After I manage to turn it on it works like usual.
    Specs:
    i5-8600k
    16GB RAM
    GTX 970
    MSI B360-APRO motheboard
    Corsair CX 600W power supply (its like 6 years old at this point)
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    R_1 September 08, 2015
    the new CX series from corsair with the grey label is MUCH improved over the green units, a different maker, different platform altogether better, so a new CX series is my budget suggestion
    https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na
    and its modular
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    Ayush2017 July 27, 2020
    Cooler suggestion
    Can I Use 'Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P' for my (i5 9600k) first build ever... Below are the Specs -

    i5 9600k
    Msi GTX 1660 6GB GDDR5 OC
    Any 8GB x 2 DDR4 Memory

    Is 'Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P' a good choice .
    Don't have much choices in India right now and on top of that, this is my first build...Have decent theory knowledge but never practically built before...
    I hope someone helps, btw I'm plaaning to game only, GTA V, Cricket 19, Euro Truck Simulator, etc.. Aiming for 1080p 60(+) only on high or very high settings...
    Edit - Not gonna overclock it , but will set turbo mode to automatic (which it is already by default }
    So if this is fine, PLease also suggest a budget friendly case too....(upto 100$ maybe).
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    geofelt October 09, 2006
    Either cooler would do the job.
    But, they are tall coolers(166.5 and 162.8) and may not fit in some cases.
    The cm master 500 cases have good airflow and can handle coolers up to 167mm
    https://mdcomputers.in/cooler-master-mastercase-h500-argb-e-atx-mid-tower-tempered-glass-mcm-h500-ignn-s01.html?sort=p.price&order=ASC
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    ThatSourMelon July 17, 2020
    Upgrade or buy a new pc?
    So I have a few questions, I was thinking of upgrading my pc, like getting big Navi when it comes out, I have an intel core i5 9600k, so I figured that would probable bottleneck and get a new cpu instead, and the gpu later. Something like a ryzen 7 or 9, maybe 4th gen when it comes out, (is there much of a difference between 8 and 12 cores in gaming and is it worth the extra cost?) can a gpu bottleneck a cpu? I have an Rx 580 gaming x 8gb, so that would be a new cpu + motherboard, graphics card, and more storage, and if I was upgrading that much stuff would it be a better idea to just sell my pc and build a new one? Is it easier to sell entire pc’s than individual parts? I built it last year but already want some more powerful hardware.
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    sizzling October 18, 2006
    You could start with a top end gpu when next gen are out. The 9600k will do a decent job but yes you may see some FPS drops in some games that a cpu with more threads would not suffer. For cpu probably best to wait and see what Ryzen 4000 series brings.
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    aykkoxdd June 20, 2020
    RTX 2060 + RYZEN 5 3600 or RTX 2070 + i5-9600k
    Hey guys, im wondering what will be better for gaming and sometimes streaming RTX 2060 + RYZEN 5 3600 or RTX 2070 + i5-9600k?
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    Kamal007v November 15, 2014
    R5 3600 anyday unless your main game is something like Arma 3 that relies on High clocks. Even then it's not worth it to dump the 3600 for just one game. Maybe the 10600K if you specifically wanna buy intel for some reason but again the price to performance ratio 3600 wins.
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    Vast__ June 16, 2020
    New CPU not booting up even after CMOS reset.
    I recently bought a new CPU, the i5-9600k in replace of my old cpu the i5-7500. On boot after resetting the CMOS and putting in new thermal paste the PC started for a second with fans spinning and then powered off. The motherboard diagnostic lights say it was due to the CPU where it either is not detected or failed.

    I put in my old CPU and the PC worked with no problem.

    Things to note:
    I had to use a paper-clip for the CMOS reset PC

    PSU: CX 500
    MB: B250m Motherboard MSI
    New CPU: i5 9600k
    Old CPU: i5 7500

    Image of PC
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    rgd1101 November 07, 2011
    motherboard only support 6th/7th cpu
    is in the cpu supported list on MSI website

    and you should get a new cooler for 9600k, not the stock i5 7500 cooler
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    AzzyDude24601 June 15, 2020
    Are these benchmark scores accurate for i5-9600k vs i7-9700k ?
    About a year ago I built a PC for myself and one for my girlfriend. I wanted to spend a little extra so I got an i7 9700k. My girlfriend wanted to spend a little less and got the i5 9600k. Hers is overclocked to about 4.2 GHz and mine is overclocked to about 4.6 GHz.

    Anyway, recently I decided to do a 3DMark benchmark (Time Spy) on both machines and it said the i5 9600k scored about 5000 on the CPU test whereas the i7 9700k scored 8000. I really wasn't expecting this much of a difference between the two and I'm almost concerned her CPU might not be performing correctly. Does this seem like accurate scoring?

    I guess I just thought for gaming, there wasn't that much of a leap between the i5 and the i7 versions of these chips.
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    popatim December 02, 2009
    6 cores vs 8 cores

    dividing the score by Compute units (cores times clockspeed) you come out with ~.2 for hers and ~ .22 for yours. I used 4200 & 4600 respectively.

    Close enough for me and I expect you rounded those TimeSpy scores anyways.
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    Skylineyt June 10, 2020
    I5 9600K With Gigabyte H370 AORUS Gaming 3 ATX Motherboard?
    I'm currently planning on building my friend a streaming/gaming PC on pcpartpicker.com and I encountered an error saying "Warning!Some Intel H370 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Coffee Lake Refresh CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions." The only problem is that he really likes the aesthetic of this motherboard, ideally not changing it. The motherboard needs to have a bios update ideally past November 2018 to post/boot. What are the chances that it wouldn't have the BIOS update. Is there too much risk?

    This is the spec list - https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YYmDvW

    Also he has a 500watt PSU, that should be enough?
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    Karadjgne December 26, 2012
    Because no everybody wants or needs to overclock and K series cpus have slightly higher base clocks and less issues with ram compatibility at higher ram speeds.
    No thank you. I'd not suggest the use of Evga B1, N1, W1, G1, NEX or any of a half dozen other Evga branded units, or even some of the Seasonic built older units like from XFX or Antec or even Seasonic. I'd rather have no pc at all than deal with an S12-III.

    OEM and vendor aside, it's the model itself that is everything. Huge difference between an Evga NEX or 500B/N/W and an Evga G2 or Corsair VS and AXi.
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    morettim1 June 10, 2020
    PC high temps both idle and while gaming
    Hello, so I recently swapped out my Cryorig H7 quad lumi air cooler for a Cryorig A40 water cooler. While it gave me a headache to install (mainly because i never dealt with pc parts before) it was doing just fine with temps. I even stress tested and the highest it went to was 71 C on the cpu side so i know for a fact it doesnt have to do with the thermal paste or anything. A day later i installed two rgb fans that i ordered from amazon (i believe they are called Pccooler halo rgb fans 3 pack) into the case and im not sure if i connected the headers in the wrong place or what but my pc has been reaching temps of 76C on the GPU and 75 ish C on the CPU ever since. I have no idea what I did wrong and im losing my mind with this damn pc. Its currently 81 degrees Fahrenheit in my apartment so im not sure if thats what is causing the insanely high temps. I should also mention that my pc keeps completely crashing and making a high annoying buzzing sound as if something is breaking like 10 mins after i start gaming or using the pc, which causes me to have to hard boot it off.
    Rig:
    Rtx 2070 Zotac Extreme AMP
    MSI z390 gaming edge AC
    i5 9600k (overclocked to 4.3ghz i had no problem with overclocking prior to installing these fans and new cpu cooler so that is not the problem)
    Team force 16 gigs of ram
    650 watt power supply
    Cryorig A40 cpu cooler
    Intel 660p 512gb SSD
    1TB HDD
    H500 NZXT case

    Please let me know if i can provide any more info that can help determine the issue, im not too knowledgeable about pc parts so i know i must have done something to mess up the system.
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    Phaaze88 December 30, 2016
    Let's see here...
    Yep, you've got way too much exhaust: top, rear, and front.

    All you have to do here is remove the radiator fans, 180 them, and reinstall them - done.
    By 180, I mean just flip the fans around.
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    newbie_builder420 June 05, 2020
    How to fix first PC build?
    Currently very frustrated at how my first PC build is going. I installed Windows (or partway through at least) and the PC restarted but now it's stuck at the EZ debug light for the CPU. The fans turn when everytime it blinks (in white).

    I am not sure what the exact issue is, but I am almost sure at this point it's some piece of hardware's failure. Either the CPU, motherboard, or the power supply. Still, I am not sure what to do and am so frustrated especially after spending so much money and time for this.
    Pictures of motherboard and CPU pins:
    View: http://imgur.com/gallery/NfZMvg3


    Case: Phanteks Eclipse P350X
    Mobo: MSI Z390-A PRO
    CPU: Intel i5-9600K
    RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 × 8 GB)
    SSD: Samsung 970 EVO (500 GB)
    GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Super Ventus XS OC
    CPU Fan: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition
    Power Supply: Corsair CX550M
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    julienruc August 08, 2018
    Sorry about this, but I misread your inital post and shouks have read it better.

    The Z390 should natively support 9th Gen out of the box. Your PC did post since you were half-way installing Windows. I think the issue may come from somewhere else. Are you able to access the BIOS at all now?
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    TheTuskii June 02, 2020
    PC Upgrade Path
    Hello whoever's reading this!


    Back a few years I built my very first pc, I used a Pentium G4620 , Zotac mini GTX 1050 , a 500W Cert. PSU , a b250m motherboard , 16gb of DDR4 and a common WD blue 1TB HHD . Since then I have upgraded my mother board to a Z270 Gaming Pro Carbon , my crappy case, my PSU (which is now a 600W cooler master 80+ bronz cert. PSU ), and finally my CPU cooler to a after market one.

    Just by the specs you can tell it is nothing over the top xD! I was wondering what a good upgrades would be.
    As of now I am looking at the RTX 2060 Super, and the i5 9600k. I want a noticeable upgrade in graphics and fps, and something that will allow me to expand in the future. (BTW I already ordered a 1tb SSD , tired of a 10 minute system power up lol. Any ideas, or different upgrades please let me know. Also I would like something that maybe supports Ray Tracing .

    Thanks,

    Andrew
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    hang-the-9 March 25, 2010
    Since you have a high end motherboard you may just want to change your CPU from the Pentium to a higher spec 7th gen i5 or an i7 (used) and replace the video card so you don't need to change the motherboard as well again. Changing the motherboard and cooler while leaving the CPU the same was not a good move, a motherboard does almost nothing for the speed of the system unless you are pushing the thing with overclocking.
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    iMatty May 27, 2020
    Question about temperature
    So right now, I am running an i3 9100f.
    And because I live in a hot country, and my AC is broken.
    I am using a fan to blow air onto me and my pc.
    But I just noticed that my CPU is getting to 60-61 C while gaming, but because my AC is broken, when my AC is not its around 50 or 51.
    Would that consider being overheating or?

    And right now, I ordered an i5 9600k and its on the way, I have my cooler in my signature.

    Thank you in advance.
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    CountMike October 31, 2015
    No, those are fine temps.
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    Mattjaccino May 23, 2020
    Gigabyte B360 HD3 onboard LAN not working
    I just upgraded my PC with an i5-9600K and an RX 5700 XT, but my ethernet port doesn't doing anything now.

    This motherboard was my brothers, so I know it works as we were both wired in to our router. I installed all the drivers, but when I try to install the RTL8111 driver, it says "the network controller was not found" and quits.

    What do I do?

    Edit: I see in the peripherals menu on the BIOS screen that the controller is not listed, so it must be broken.
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    Karadjgne December 26, 2012
    Well if that didn't fix it, then it's not a software or driver communication error, because those commands basically reboot and reset that in bios/windows, like a hard reset. Which leaves a physical hardware issue, maybe that screw shorted between 2 points and messed up a physical component like a cap or diode. It's even possible to break the traces, especially on older boards, they seperate from the solder joint or crack.

    Your solution of an adding card is usually the best fix, as it's also quite often an upgrade in bandwidth capacity.
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    riobijoy May 23, 2020
    Good PSU for i5 9600k and RTX 2060 AMP
    Please suggest a good PSU for my components,Earlier i have Cooler Master Thunder 600 W SMPS

    Processor----i5 9600k.
    GPU----------Zotac RTX 2020 Amp.
    HDD---------2x2 TB HDD.
    CPU Cooler----Cooler master Evo 212.
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    siaan312 June 15, 2017
    550 watts should be enough for that system.

    i usually go for corsair cxm series since its modular and cheap, and is rated not bad on the psu tier list, but you dont have to.
    https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/
    take anything from there, i wouldnt go lower than B tier.
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    iMatty May 20, 2020
    Upgrade i5 9600k
    My motherboard is in my signature, and I was wondering that I will be upgrading to the i5 9600k.

    I checked my motherboard manual and it said it's supported.
    I just wanna make sure that it should work just fine?

    Thank you
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    xerxesaria July 28, 2020
    Build with i5 10500
    Hi.
    I’m looking to build my next computer for gaming. So far, after some research, I have come up with the following and would like to know what the experts can tell me.
    this is my build for the most important components:


    1. CPU :
    Intel i5 10500 or intel i5 10600 or intel i5 10600k
    2. Motherboard:
    I prefer to go with micro atx, but atx is also just as good.
    • gigabyte z490 m
    • gigabyte z490 ud
    • gigabyte z490 gaming x
    • gigabyte Z490 gaming plus
    My preference goes to gigabyte, because over the years I’ve been very happy with my other builds and their motherboards.
    additionally, my preference goes to a motherboard with wifi. Or should I get a separate wifi card?
    3. RAM :
    2x16 G skills Ripjaws v f4-3600c16d-32gvkc

    Thank you.
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    logainofhades April 27, 2009
    For pure gaming a 10600k is definitely the price/performance king, but, with the GPU's you intend to use, I don't think you are going to see any meaningful difference, vs say an R5 3600. If going with the R5 3600 will free up budget, for a better GPU, you will want to go that route, also. You are going to get better gaming performance, with an R5 3600, and a faster GPU, than you would with a 10600k, and a slower one. Looking at pricing, for your area, with PCPP, the R5 3600, vs 10600k, is enough that you could step up to a 2070s, vs a 2060s.

    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: Intel Core i5-10600K 4.1 GHz 6-Core Processor (€273.95 @ Azerty)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler (€34.95 @ Paradigit)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte Z490M GAMING X Micro ATX LGA1200 Motherboard (€169.85 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
    Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (€110.00 @ Azerty)
    Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card (€421.00 @ Azerty)
    Total: €1009.75
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-30 16:01 CEST+0200

    vs

    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (€173.95 @ CD-ROM-LAND)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler (€34.95 @ Paradigit)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte B550M AORUS ELITE Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (€107.50 @ Azerty)
    Memory: Crucial Ballistix 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory (€110.00 @ Azerty)
    Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card (€535.00 @ Azerty)
    Total: €961.40
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-30 16:02 CEST+0200
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    Regev July 27, 2020
    Which of these is the best CPU+cooler+motherboard combo?
    Hey guys!

    So, I got a 1TB NVMe, a 700W Platinum+ SFX-L, and a kit of 32GB 3200. Thanks to your advice, I was gonna get the i9-9900 (at 50% off from a family member working for Intel), but when I went to find an ITX motherboard the only one I found in my country that can sustain an i9 is the Phantom, which costs $258. I also read that I'd need to buy a cooler cause the Intel 9th gen stock one sucks, so it's another $59 for the L12S.

    I'm reconsidering options before ordering. Here are possible combinations I found (all with mITX motherboards). I do not need a video card at all, it's purely for productivity uses (lots of text, very heavy browser use, web developing, and some programming). When necessary, I factored in the cheapest 1030 that I found. Also, I used the stock cooler (hope it's enough) on all builds (except the 9900). Listed in order of price:

  • Ryzen 5 3400G = $271 (B350) or $301 (B450)
  • i3 10100 = $300 (B460) or $336 (Z490)
  • i5 10400 = $390 (B460) or $426 (Z490)
  • Ryzen 7 2700 = $396 (B350) or $427 (B450) or $497 (X470/B550)
  • Ryzen 5 3600 = $402 (B350) or $419 (B450) or $493 (X470/B550)
  • i5 10500 = $412 (B460) or $448 (Z490)
  • i5 10600 = $427 (B460) or $463 (Z490)
  • Ryzen 7 2700X = $430 (B350) or $461 (B450) or $531 (X470/B550)
  • Ryzen 5 3600X = $432 (B350) or $463 (B450) or $533 (X470/B550)
  • i5 10600K = $482 (B460) or $518 ( Z490)
  • Ryzen 5 3600XT = $490 (B350) or $521 (B450) or $591 (X470/B550)
  • Ryzen 7 3700X = $529 (B350) or $560 (B450) or $630 (X470/B550)
  • i7 10700 = $568 (B460) or $604 (Z490)
  • Ryzen 7 3800X = $574 (B350) or $605 (B450, $675 (X470/B550)
  • i9 9900 = $590 (50% off on CPU, pricey Z390 + Noctua L12S)
  • i7 10700K = $628 (B460) or $664 (Z490)
  • Ryzen 7 3800XT = $653 (B350) or $684 (B450) or $754 (X470/B550)
  • Which configuration gives the best bang for the buck for the uses I listed (without suffering any productivity setback)? Still the i9?

    Thanks <3
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    Karadjgne December 26, 2012
    Things take time. It takes a cpu a certain amount of time to render anything, game frame, web page etc. A stronger cpu can do things in less time as it has more available resources to work with. A 3700x might render a page in 1 second, a 3400G might take 2 seconds. To a cpu that's a huge improvement, massive really. To you, you blinked and it was over with. Can't really say just exactly how much of a difference there is on such a small scale. But when it comes to large scale, that's a different story. Play gta5 on a 3400G and 3700x, there's a fps difference, then add in streaming and the 4 cores of the 3400G just got swamped and fps drops like a bad habit. The 8/16 of the 3700x doesn't even blink.

    Mmorpgs online are even worse. All that AI can be seriously detrimental to fps. I play swtor and in single player ultra have no issues on an i7-3770K with getting 90fps+. 8man op and I'm into 60-90fps range, 16man op and I'm averaging 30fps with all cpu details disabled/min and a 24man world boss fight is miserable at 5-10fps and everything disabled. Just way too much, too intensive, too cpu challenging for even a 8thread i7 at 4.6GHz to handle. 3400G will be far worse as it has no Lcache and not nearly the same resources, even if it does have better IPC. Fastest runner in the world is useless if he has a ball and chain around 1 ankle. Make him stronger, make the chain longer and he'll just lick it up and run.

    B450m-H is a value motherboard. More tailored towards the 3600 or lesser cpus. It'll handle a 3700x just fine under normal circumstances, but Ryzens are dynamic cpus, they boost according to voltages, temps, loads. With no heatsink the VRM's will run hotter and will limit the boosting ability of the cpu. They won't overheat, but instead of seeing nice high boosts, you'll be relegated to more minimal boosts. The cpu will protect itself and the motherboard from excessive power draws.
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    chickenballs July 03, 2020
    sata ssds vs nvme for games
    I recently saw a MP510 2tb for around $100 cheaper than any other nvme drives with the same capacity and wonder if I should get it.
    Its only like $270 while the cheapest Samsung 970 evo plus 1tb is around $240

    My current PC which i mainly use for gaming is a bit old with a 4790K on a msi z97 Gaming5 mobo
    it currently has 4 sata ssds installed:
    Samsung 860 evo 1tb C:
    Samsung 850 evo 1tb
    Crucial mx500 1tb
    Samsung 850 evo 500 gb
    It also has one empty m.2 which I believe is only pcie2 x2

    but I plan on upgrading to either zen3 or i5 10600K later this year

    So my question is when I upgrade to a more modern mobo and cpu
    should I also replace the 860evo sata ssd
    with something like the mp510 1920gb or the mp600 if i get zen3 with x570/b550
    and then keep all 4 sata ssds for games

    would the sata drives be too slow for recently released triple A games and future games?
    considering the next gen consoles will have ssds that are as fast or even faster than pcie4 ssds
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    USAFRet March 16, 2013
    I'd have to see hard numbers, not just online articles pondering what may happen in devices and software that is not released yet.

    I have 7 SSDs, no HDD.
    6x SATA III and 1x NVMe (Intel 660p). In actual use, I can tell little difference, even though the Sequential benchmark of the 660p is 3 times faster than the SATA drives.

    What makes solid state drives shine over HDD is the near zero access time. In that...they are all very close.
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    thomas123321 June 28, 2020
    z490 motherboard for 10600k overclock
    There are 3 options,
    MSI MPG Z490 Gaming Edge WIFI
    MSI MPG Z490 Gaming Plus
    Gigabyte Z490 VISION G

    I saw the gamer nexus video on the z490 motherboard about the vrms and all, i want to know is there a difference between the gaming plus and gaming edge wifi in its power delivery, vrms etc and wether should I go with the Vision G instead for the true 12 phase?

    Edit: Also will I be able to overclock the 10600k on just the 8pin or will i have to plug in both the 4 pin with the 8pin
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    fraybentos July 02, 2020
    I wouldn't bother with any of those. I'd get the MSI Z490 Pro-A, comparing the manuals of the boards reveals that all of the the BIOS settings and features are the same as the gaming boards; it has the same power delivery and VRMs, but is a lot cheaper (minus wifi and silly LEDS). All the gaming boards are just gimmicky marketting and accordingly overpriced. I'm using the Pro-A myself. It has lovely solid metal VRM coolers (no plastic). I have my 10600K overclocked 4.9 GHz on all cores at 1.28V (or 5.0 GHz at 1.36V). I installed 16GB of G Skill 3600 CL15 RAM and have been able to overclock it to 4000 MHz CL14 (1.45 Vdimm, 1.2 V VCCSA and 1.2 V VCCIO). Essentially, I've reproduced what was obtained in the GamersNexus video where the 10600K beats a 10900K. Albeit, I prefer to run cooler and quieter at 4.9 GHz all core (160 Watts under load) as 5.0 GHz pulls 180 Watts, which is too much for my cooler to handle. I haven't tried to hit 5.1 GHz except on a few individual cores.

    I plugged in both an 8 pin and 4 pin to the motherboard (but only running from a single cable, came with my EVGA G2 650). I have seen others using a single 8 pin only, but I have not tried myself. Just consider that my 4.9 GHz all core overclock is pulling upto 160 Watts off a single rail under AVX load in Cinebench R20.

    Budget Z490s are reviewed here and the MSI Pro-A is one of the two that is actually decent (as noted above, the guts of this board are the same as the gaming branded ones!)
    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdgNEXpBrfg
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    brandon9455 June 17, 2020
    10600k vs 10600kf
    im buying either of the two, but the kf ive noticed is £50 cheaper and im not too sure why, can someone fill me in on what the difference is please. ive googled it before you say and im not finding much
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    King_V November 01, 2014
    The KF does not include the integrated Intel graphics.

    I don't think the Intel graphics are worth anything close to £50, so either the KF version is a great deal, or the K version is a lousy deal.

    But, uh, if you went to google and typed:
    difference between k and kf intel

    The very first result tells you the answer.
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    brandon9455 June 17, 2020
    what motherboard to get for a future 10600k
    im planning on upgrading my current R5 1600x system to a i5 10600k as i mostly just game. im looking at motherboards and atm think that the msi mpg z490 gaming plus as its cheap and doesn't look too bad, im willing to spend £200 and have been told to stay away from asrock and go for asus or msi. i will be wanting to overclock my CPU as well so bare that in mind. also is there anything i need to do when switching from ryzen to intel as i plan to keep the same drives
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    geofelt October 09, 2006
    The msi mpg z490 gaming plus is probably a good bet.
    A quick look on newegg from verified owners of Z490 motherboards has the msi Z489 edge wifi as the most popular with all good reviews.
    https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144302?&quicklink=true
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    laker1706 June 10, 2020
    Intel K vs KF
    Hi guys.
    I'm about to purchase the I5 10600K/KF.
    I know that the only difference is that the "KF" doesn't have an IGP.
    Sadly, the "KF" is out of stock for nobody knows how long in pretty much every store in my country(they all assume it's gonna be about a week).
    The "K" model is available but for about 35$ more and while I really wanna make this purchase before this weekend, I'm trying to find justification for that price difference.
    Anyone has experience troubleshooting with the non IGP CPUs? I remember one time I screwed up my BiOS and what saved me was the IGP because the GPU graphics were gone or something.
    So, is there and justification for paying 35$ for the "K" model except for my lack of patience?
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    Phillip Corcoran September 07, 2013
    Well personally I wouldn't want to have a system with only one GPU, and I wouldn't baulk at shelling out an extra $35. Not exactly a fortune is it?
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    lolermanlols123 June 04, 2020
    i5-10600k vs. Ryzen 7 3700X, OC Performance
    Hello all,

    I am wondering which CPU here would be the better buy factoring in their OC performance in gaming.
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    Phaaze88 December 30, 2016
    They're going to be roughly the same.
    If we were to compare the 2 cpus on the same gpu, the 10600K would actually have an edge over the 3600.
    But the budget from the lower cost of the Ryzen platform allows you to step up to a higher gpu tier. That's going to be a boon for the 3600 against the 10600K.
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    luka1000 May 29, 2020
    Is this upgrade that much better
    Hi i currently have a i7 7700k. i got a bonus at work and was thinking of upgrading to the i5 10600kf. I was wondering if it is a good upgrade.
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    Zerk2012 October 06, 2014
    I don't upgrade just to upgrade, I would only upgrade if their a specific task that your PC is not doing as good as you would like.

    Your not going to get a lot of single core performance, the all core performance makes a bigger difference BUT only if what you do with the PC can take advantage of all the cores.

    You could sell your processor board and memory (since it is slow at today's standards) That would get a portion of your money back.

    I would probably be looking at one of these, with a good CPU cooler and faster memory with the right motherboard for the processor. I personally don't care for AMD but the price to performance is good.
    Any of then should last a long time before needing to upgrade again.

    https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/LhCD4D,QKJtt6,yhxbt6/
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    Karte May 27, 2020
    New Gaming PC
    Howdy,

    I'm planning a new PC build, I've worked out which pieces I want and just thought I would check in on whether there was something I missed like compatibility issues etc. I would primarily be using it for gaming and would not be wanting to upgrade for awhile.
    This is my plan:

    CPU: Intel 10600K
    MOBO: Asus ROG Strix Z490-A
    RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB
    C Drive: Samsung 860 EVO 1TB
    PSU: Corsair SF750 750W
    GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 Super Windforce

    Thanks for the input!
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    Vic 40 October 22, 2013
    Those RMx are fine choices. The 650watt would be fine for 99% of the builds you would want to power with it and especially with the parts you chose. You could do with a 550watt version.
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    Zerk2012 May 26, 2020
    Secure erase VS quick format SSD.
    Been a while on this for me so just to make sure, If I remember right it will do the same thing but since it was the C drive the quick format will still leave a windows old that needs to be deleted. But secure erasing a Samsung drive that is a C drive requires another PC since you can't erase your C drive with the OS on it. (Then their also the chance of bricking the drive Frozen state on a secure erase)

    So I'm thinking quick format, delete windows old, then another quick format. Like I said could be wrong on the windows old but just checking.

    Upgrading PC tomorrow since the 10600K is supposed to be released don't really need to upgrade mine but giving my son the 4790K to replace his 2500K.

    https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TDxFn7
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    USAFRet March 16, 2013
    Commandline function diskpart, and the clean command will wipe all on that 860 EVO.
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    WolverineP1 May 17, 2020
    Intel Core i5-10600K vs I7 9700
    They both have similar core clocks and are around the same price, but I was wondering if the 8 cores and 8 threads of the 9700 would be any better or worse than the 6 core and 12 thread 10600k. Hopefully a quick one, just curious.
    Thank you
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    DSzymborski November 19, 2010
    Can't answer until the actual reviews.
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    KeithK2006 January 01, 1970
    Does this look good?
    I've made LOADS of changes with the pc I'm planning on building and I think I've finally decided on it.
    Build: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/pJGPwh
    I chose the 10600k over the 3700x as I was told it outperforms the 3700x in most games (Plus its cheaper) I also ditched the 2080 super as it's probably not worth the extra money for a slight frame increase.
    I was just wondering if everything in the build looks compatible and if I made any stupid decisions xd
    thanks